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OpenID maultalk  |  8/05/2011 1:46 PM  |  Flag  
Maghair is a good example of how a once "happy loving pit bull family" who raised their dog very well is now struggling to understand why the dog suddenly attacked (AKA blame it on the veterinarian.) Simultaneously, the family has to fight off pit nutters such as commenter Naomi who says, "This makes me wonder how he treated his dog."

Blogger Dude, I BaggedYourPit  |  8/05/2011 5:14 PM  |  Flag  
A toast to you Mr. Tuscon Pit Bull! Thank you for expressing your DNA on your owner, rather than an innocent person or pet in your neighborhood. Good boy!

Blogger DubV  |  8/05/2011 10:24 PM  |  Flag  
"Jayne Cundy of Pima Animal Care Center was quick to point out, "Every situation is unique ... we don't know what triggered it" "

Why do idiots always think they are so freaking deep when they state things either obvious, untrue, or simply confused?

OpenID maultalk  |  8/05/2011 11:48 PM  |  Flag  
Cundy is the spokesperson for the Pima Animal Care Center. I doubt she said anything “off the cuff" in the interview. Her statements were very specific (rehearsed) in response to a near fatal pit bull mauling:

“Every situation is unique. This is obviously very sad situation and it was quite a bad attack, but we don't know what triggered it" ... Your animal is an animal. It's not human . . . it doesn't have human values," Cundy says. "It can't express itself like a human, so let's find out what happened. It's not just another pit bull attack ... we don't know the reason behind it right now."

Cundy was also the spokesperson during the Pima County dogfighting bust (Pat Patrick). Her department took a lot of heat from pit bull groups after they euthanized nearly all of his dogs. These recent statements are a real shift from her previous “common sense” ones about Patrick’s dogs.

2009--The Pima Animal Care Center takes care of seized animals until it knows what it can do with them, and does not adopt out or euthanize the animals until they legally become county property, said center spokeswoman Jayne Cundy. "In those cases we have to be told, because we're just holding them. It's up to the Tucson Police Department or the Pima County Sheriff's Department..."
http://tinyurl.com/43n8krw

I guess her department has made a shift...

Blogger snack sized dog  |  8/07/2011 10:48 AM  |  Flag  
Thanks for the analysis of the very intricate maul talk you pulled from the various articles. There was a lot.

The discussion about the dog being in pain and on medication is really disgusting. All that accounts for is that a dog lashed out in pain.

It does not account for the fact that an animal in pain launched a SUSTAINED, FULL BORE ATTACK , that every major artery was torn, that the man was unrecognizable, that his arms were degloved, or that care for the victim depeleted an entire county's blood supply. (I would like to point out that the article I read didn't say he required 60 pints of blood - it said that they stopped counting at 60 and that he will require more.) The owner is leaking like a sieve. Being in pain or on medication accounts for NONE of that - how many dogs get neutered EVERY DAY?

The fact is nothing accounts for how this dog behaved except : Its a pit bull and they were bred to do that.

OpenID truthbird  |  8/07/2011 1:34 PM  |  Flag  
Gee, nice combo, Tucson has the sickest housing market in the U.S.; I would imagine still reeling from the Gifford shooting and low on blood supplies (possibly also related to the Gifford shooting)… Tough times for Tucson citizens to be sure. So let's add some pit nutters to the mess.

Nicholas also said, "I loved my Pit Bull." I sort of doubt his father was the owner, but ironically may have been the one who had the dog neutered to help lower its "dog aggression." Maul talker Nick is also calling his red nosed pit bull a "pit bull-Lab mix." Just anything -- anything at all to help lighten the load against his frankenmauler.

Blogger craven desires  |  8/07/2011 6:52 PM  |  Flag  
mr darwin, please pass me the kleenex.

Blogger vintage  |  8/08/2011 3:12 PM  |  Flag  
They are now saying it was the Son's animal.

I refuse to use the word DOG.

OpenID maultalk  |  8/14/2011 10:50 PM  |  Flag  
Looking grim:

AUG 14, 2011 -- The Tucson man who was mauled by his pit bull earlier this month had his left arm amputated Friday. Toni Sweet, sister of 61-year-old Michael Cook, said her brother's doctors will decide Monday whether to amputate his right arm as well.

http://www.kold.com/story/15265488/pit-bull-attack-victim-loses-left-arm?redirected=true

Blogger Ro Martinet  |  8/16/2011 10:36 PM  |  Flag  
100 pints of blood; "degloving" (what a particularly ghoulish, if apt, description); "looked like he was eating him;" double amputation....GOOD LORD, WHEN WILL I LEARN TO STOP READING THESE PIT BULL BLOGS BEFORE BED?!

I have a book called The History of Torture (don't get the wrong idea about me please, it's as scholarly a text as can be given the subject matter), and I swear, the descriptions of pit bull maulings are more gruesome than most of the stuff in that book. I am serious.

I'm with you, Vintage. I stopped considering pit bulls to be dogs a long time ago. I can't even summon warmth for the PB puppies I see anymore. It makes me uncomfortable to feel hatred towards an animal, but after reading all these accounts, I can't help it.

I also think that every time a cop has to shoot a pit bull, they should charge the owner for the bullet(s).

Blogger april 29  |  8/17/2011 6:49 PM  |  Flag  
This unfortunate victim will be on disability for the rest of his life. His line of work? Musician and handyman... as a double amputee, does not look good.

Blogger vintage  |  8/24/2011 12:43 AM  |  Flag  
Arizona Piticides

August 2011, Pima County, AZ
Michael Cook, 61-years old

December 2004, Navajo County, AZ
Annilee McKinnon, 5

July 2001, Maricopa County, AZ
Alexandro Caballero Mendoza, 50

December 2000, Pima County, AZ
Louis Tenorio, 59

November 1999, Pima County, AZ
Joan Encinas, 42

February 1985, Maricopa County, AZ
Deborah Pernell, 33

September 1979, Maricopa County, AZ
Lillian Whitehead, 6

Blogger Sputnik2009  |  8/24/2011 1:19 AM  |  Flag  
"Nicholas admitted that Butch...had fought with other dogs in the past and that in this case, "He just happened to flip at the wrong time, you know?"

Typical narcissistic PB nutter comment. It was okay for the non-dog to flip at someone else's dog, someone else's child, some other adult -- just not at his own father.

Too bad this non-dog didn't flip at Nick himself. Would've relieved society of someone so pathologically narcissistic that he won't review his desire for a penis-extender even as his father lies dying.

OpenID truthbird  |  8/24/2011 1:38 AM  |  Flag  
Though racked with guilt and DENIAL -- and blaming the typical pit bull IED roadside bombing attack on his pet having a "bad day" due to being neutered -- Nick particularly must be thanking God it wasn't him that day. Ironically, the whole FOCUS of the Darla Napora incident is that the pit bull killed because it was NOT NEUTERED. Now, we've got an instance where a pit bull killed "just because IT WAS NEUTERED."

Blogger Sputnik2009  |  8/24/2011 6:38 AM  |  Flag  
Not that I have time to do it, but...

It would be very interesting to research how strongly PB ownership correlates with a) narcissistic personality disorder, and b) (severely) depressed IQ.

We already know it correlates strongly with fragile masculinity (in women commonly called penis envy).

Blogger Mary  |  8/24/2011 2:12 PM  |  Flag  
Ugh. The excuse that the dog mauled because it had been neutered is bogus. Dogs can be grumpy if in pain but since mauling requires lots of physical exertion, I doubt this mauling was due to pain. Dogs in pain stay still a lot and may growl and snap if prodded, but they don't kill.

When are pit nutters going to wake up and realize that these dogs are so much more likely to maul and kill because they have been selected for their ability to maul and kill? Fighting dogs are not meant to be family pets and people need to stop breeding them. Really, if one wants to breed dogs that are safe and sane pets, don't breed dogs that are widely used for fighting.

Blogger skeptifem  |  8/24/2011 8:38 PM  |  Flag  
I don't want anyone to under-emphasize the suffering of someone who had that many blood transfusions. The way that they check if someone needs another transfusion is to draw their blood and check what percentage of their blood is actually cells vs plasma, usually on a schedule of every 4-6 hours (or after an infusion). Since his arms were unusable (later amputated) they probably drew it out of ports inserted into central artieries or large veins (if he had upper arms left), or by drawing blood out of the top of the foot. Additionally, every unit of blood needed to be matched to blood that was already drawn from him, and the FDA stipulates that the tubes drawn for crossmatching are only good for 72 hours. The lines inserted for repeated blood draws can become infected and are painful when installed, and do not always continue working once in place (so they may need to be replaced or foot draws may have been instituted). He most likely had other daily blood draws for his liver and kidney problems, and god knows what else. Special diets are needed for patients with kidney or liver problems (unless he was on a tube). He went through 20 days of that, along with a bunch of stuff that wasn't included in media reports. I don't know how many people actually see others in critical condition, but it is one of the worst things I have ever seen and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

Blogger vintage  |  8/26/2011 5:44 AM  |  Flag  
Mr Cook was the sixth US Pit Bull owner killed by their own animal since last October....Unfortunately, Pit Owners only comprised roughly 30 percent of the Pit DBRF victims. The others are normally their children or a neighbor.

August 2011, Pima County, AZ
Michael Cook, 61-years old
Fatal dog attack: pit bull

August 2011, San Mateo County, CA
Darla Napora, 32-years old
Fatal dog attack: pit bull

June 2011, Spotsylvania County, VA
David Quyon Haigler, 38
Fatal dog attack: pit bull

March 2011, San Bernardino County, CA
Jennie Erquiaga, 47
Fatal dog attack: pit bull

January 2011, Colusa County, CA
Linda Leal, 51
Fatal dog attack: pit bull

October 2010, Callaway County, MO
Rev. John Reynolds, 84
Fatal dog attack: pit bulls


The Pit Advocacy groups and the Dog Lobby feigning shock at this phenomenon is starting to get repulsive.

Blogger Watcher  |  8/26/2011 7:23 AM  |  Flag  
One of the factors of a pit bull is that it will be able to with stand great pain. Getting fixed at the vet would not be the cause of this killing. This happened because pit bulls were created to fight and kill other dogs so the dog has great tolerance for pain. Pit bulls often have to be shot three or four times by police to stop the dog. This dog had fought other dogs. The dog was unpredictable. I wish Ms. Cundy would point these factors out. I do know she's put up with these absolutely awful people who are irrational about pit bulls but she needs to educate the public too.

Blogger DubV  |  8/30/2011 3:56 PM  |  Flag  
Sputnik said..

"It would be very interesting to research how strongly PB ownership correlates with a) narcissistic personality disorder, and b) (severely) depressed IQ."

Less intelligent people are almost always less careful with themselves and others, at least based upon my observations. I believe this is because anticipating danger requires prediction based upon understanding cause and effect and having an imagination that can conjure various scenarios and see how plausible they are. In other words, pit nutters are continually surprised by the world around them. Therefore, more things seem accidental and unpredictable to them.

Blogger i8ntnofool  |  3/09/2012 5:17 PM  |  Flag  
@ Sputnik, I have met 2 pit bull owners after encounters with their aggressive dogs. Both are absolute zealots about their dogs. One of them I know has a history of methamphetamine abuse. I'm not sure about the other guy but he does not take good care of his animal, yet, in his head, in his words, he loves the animal "like one of my kids." I believe these folks have an impaired sense of reality and also likely have adult anti-social personality traits. Why would you own want to possess an animal that can kill you or your own children? A rational person wouldn't; these folks are not rational. I believe that they have an impaired sense of reality testing.

Blogger i8ntnofool  |  3/09/2012 5:20 PM  |  Flag  
@ Sputnik -

No rational person would want to possess an animal that has the bite statistics of these animals, and for sure, no rational person would keep them around their children, even if they don't care about their neighbors or their own liability and safety. My thoughts are that most people who own pit bulls have some kind of impairment in their reality testing abilities. I also suspect that many of them are anti-social. And many are likely covering up criminal behavior. Keep a tiger in your house and no one will come poking around your meth lab, right/

Blogger bitbypit  |  3/09/2012 5:40 PM  |  Flag  
@i8ntnofool

Interesting terminology about the psychological make up of pit bull owners has been pulled together at the Maul Talk Manual. Some terms include: Pitthetic dementia, Parapitology and Narcipitism.

Also, studies have been done in the area that you speak of. They are located on the Pit Bull Ownership Studies page. Some studies include:

Vicious Dogs Part 2: Criminal Thinking, Callousness, and Personality Styles of Their Owners

Vicious Dogs: The Antisocial Behaviors and Psychological Characteristics of Owners

Ownership of High Risk ("Vicious") Dogs as a Marker for Deviant Behaviors: Implications for Risk Assessment

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