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Blogger Your Quiet Neighbor  |  11/12/2012 5:27 PM  |  Flag  
Good thing that this animal services outfit isn't the police department. They'd be making apologies for criminals all day and all night.

Blogger snack sized dog  |  11/12/2012 6:11 PM  |  Flag  
Unbelievable - how many people will it take.

And hiding behind the "its not a pit bull" routine. This is a pit BULL, BULL mastiff, amBULL, english BULLdog mix. 100% bull breed made up of the 3 same types: bulldogs, mastiffs, and terriers, that the original pit bull is made up of.

Blogger Putme Incharge  |  11/12/2012 6:54 PM  |  Flag  
I guess Lt. Dan DeSousa should do a little studying about dogs.

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Olde English bulldogge
Main article: Olde English Bulldogge
One contemporary recreation of the breed is called the Olde English Bulldogge. Starting in the 1970s, a breeding program developed for cattle at The Ohio State University was used, with the aim of recreating the Old English Bulldog. This modern day version, though possessing similar physical abilities, does not have the violent temperament of the Old English Bulldog. This recreation was done by line-breeding to create a breed with a foundation of half Bulldog, and the other half bullmastiff, American Pit Bull Terrier, and American Bulldog.

Blogger Miss Margo  |  11/12/2012 8:13 PM  |  Flag  
I read the Village News story about the event.

In the comments section, one person (#3 Family Friend) rebuked Village News for using the word "mauled" to describe the killing, saying that it was a "horrid word" and suggesting that reading it would intensify the anguish felt by the victim's family.

I responded: @#3 Family Friend: "Mauled" is a horrid word--an accurate and appropriate word for a gruesome and horrible death.

While is does paint a ghastly picture in the mind of the reader, I think that describing the tragedy in vague language and euphemism would disservice the victim by minimizing the suffering she experienced.

Nobody should die this way. My condolences to her family and friends."

I don't think that explicitly describing the awful reality of dog maulings is exploitive at all. It's not like rape or sex crime, where the victims need privacy in order to maintain social dignity in a world where some sicko assholes will read descriptions of the crime for prurient reasons.

Many victims' accounts of their (pit bull) maulings include feelings of frustration and despair that others do not appreciate the terror of their experience.

Reading the gruesome reality of dog maulings is what convinced me to consider maulings--and pit bull regulation--to be a serious and legitimate public health issue.

Margo

P.S. I think that "Family Friend" might be a lying pit nutter. What person with an intimate emotional relationship with the victim and her family would describe the victim as "that young lady" instead of using her name and say that her family was "taking this pretty hard." You take not getting a promotion at work "pretty hard." Not the violent death of a loved one.

Blogger bitbypit  |  11/12/2012 8:53 PM  |  Flag  
Posting comment from U-T San Diego article:

Post comment Lynne Smith · Top Commenter
An American Bulldog (former name: American Pit Bull Dog) is not the same as English Bulldogs that have been created as companion animals. American Bulldogs are essentially large pit bulls with many of the same ancestors and used for many of the same functions, including human aggression for the purpose of hunting down (and sometimes killing) runaway slaves. Many breed specific laws include them along with pit bulls for these reasons. So while they are not exactly the same, they are close enough, and certainly have caused enough problems over the years.

On the other hand, Olde English Bulldogges were what pit bulls were called before they were called pit bulls, they became pit bulls and had died out. The "breed" was re-created in the 70s through line breeding (in breeding) and contains enough pit bull and American Bull Dog to make it just as much a problem. They have the potential to be dog aggressive and breeders say they can be "dangerous" if not properly trained.

Blogger snack sized dog  |  11/12/2012 11:31 PM  |  Flag  
Or, of course, they're not olde english bulldogges, and just plain old american bulldogs. And AC is trying to disguise that.

When Cherie Travis tried to pretend she couldn't identify killer dogs as pit bulls, DBO called for her firing, and not to long later she was gone.

Blogger vintage  |  11/13/2012 1:45 AM  |  Flag  
San Diego may have just just set a record for most Pit Bull DBRFs in one A/C District over a 12 month period.


Let me state for the record:

Lt Dan needs to find employment outside the public safety sector and that the Olde English Bulldogge should have been allowed to remain extinct....

Congrats San-Di-Let-Go-My-Leggo!

Blogger Sputnik  |  11/13/2012 2:12 AM  |  Flag  
You can tell Family Friend is a true pit nutter. Knows damn well that there's a burden of guilt on the pit-type-dog owners, on the woman's family, and on the woman herself. Doesn't realize s/he's saying 'don't matter if you raise them from pup, they still might kill you.' Is glad the dog type is being obfuscated by inventing yet another paper breed name...and now drunk on that success wants to censor the naming of what these monsters in fact do. Thinks s/he can dictate no more mentioning mauling, maiming, dismembering and killing, we all have to call it 'dog bites'. After all, it's us making that distinction that is getting these pit fans into so much trouble when they try to use 'dog bite' statistics.

To make it even more disgusting, this self-serving bullshit and total indifference to human life is disguised as concern for relatives of the woman who died. Really the only goal here is to make sure this doesn't get counted as pit bull type dog attack, or even as an attack at all.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

Blogger Putme Incharge  |  11/13/2012 11:41 AM  |  Flag  
Vintage,

Who in their right mind would want to recreate a violent dog.

Its definitely a breed that needed to go and stay the way of the dinosaur.

In todays pet owning society where not giving a cookie is considered a consequence, we do not need any violent dogs in the hands of pet owners.

We need less breeds like this not more!

OpenID truthbird  |  11/13/2012 1:14 PM  |  Flag  
"Who in their right mind would want to recreate a violent dog?"

Lots of Nutter breeders. What do you think the American bulldog (Ampubull) is or the Dogo Argentino? How many other "pit bull derivatives" have been carefully re-manufactured in an attempt to bring back the "glory" years of a baiting or fighting dog? You can start by looking at the infamous Find a Pit Bull chart.

http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2011/04/find-pit-bull.html

List toppers:

American bulldog - "The modern American bulldog is a reconstituted breed. The old south bulldog was practically extinct by the 1950s and in an effort to bring it back, the original breeders crossed the bulldogs they could find with American pit bull terriers, boxers, and mastiffs..."
http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2011/04/find-pit-bull.html

Dogo Argentino - "after the death of my brother, when the breed became for all purposes extinct in Cordoba, and I had to reconstruct it in the Patagonia with the specimens my brother had brought me until 1955 and the ones I had taken to Esquel and other places in southern Argentina since 1937."
http://lahistoriadogo.com/

Presa Canario - "Once the prohibition of dog fighting was decreed in Spain, the number of Presa Canario began to decline … The Presa Canario reached a phase of near extinction in the 1960's. It was almost extinct in 1970 when began its recovery. Their resurgence is slow but uninterrupted."
http://www.dogocanarioclub.us/article1.html

Alapaha blue - (Pardon me, not a re-creation but a "continuation" of the Old Southern White) "The Alapaha Blue-Blood Bulldog’s origin is somewhat undocumented and unverifiable before 1979. Authorities differ so completely about the origin of the Alapaha that the name itself is in dispute…."
http://www.alapahabluebloodbulldogs.org/history.php

Olde English bulldogge - "The Olde English Bulldogge was developed in the early 1970’s by David Leavitt of Coatesville, PA. Mr. Leavitt’s goal was to recreate a Bulldog with the looks, health and athleticism of the 18th century Bulldog which was originally created for the English sport of bull baiting…"
http://www.cdhpr.com/CDHPRWeb.nsf/WebPages/Enrolled

Catahoula bulldog - "Not to be confused with the Catahoula Bullterrier, the Catahoula Pit Bull Dog was originally developed in the late 1800's from Irish, English and American fighting and hunting dogs, but it became virtually extinct until it was revived in the 1980's…"
http://molosserdogs.com/m/articles/view/1310-catahoula-pit-bull-dog

Cane corso - "called the Italian mastiff, Sicillian bulldog or the Sicillain mastiff. They weigh between 80 and 160 pounds. The CANE CORSO was near extinction by the 1970's when fanciers began to redevelop the breed. The CANE CORSO came to the US in the 1980s."
http://thetruthaboutpitbulls.blogspot.com/2011/04/find-pit-bull.html

Boerboel - (Introducing South Africa's top killer!) "They are the most enormous mastiff type and weigh between 110 to 175 pounds and are also considered more athletic than other mastiffs. Like other large, dangerous breeds, these were nearly extinct until fanciers revived the breed in the 1980's."
http://www.selectreserveboerboels.com/History.htm

Here's another one!

"The Alaunt" -- "I am on the very brink of creating a new breed - The New Alaunt - a functional replica of the medieval hunting dog The Alaunt. By definition the Alaunt was “fleet enough to hold a wounded deer, brave enough to hold a wild boar and easily able to dispatch a wolf and also a fierce guard."
http://www.thebritishalauntsociety.moonfruit.com/#/the-alaunt-by-dbp/4516413175

Blogger Ary Toussi  |  11/13/2012 8:15 PM  |  Flag  
My name is Ary from One of a Kind Bulldogs, a local breeder and ONLY nationwide rescue and rescue network. We are writing this to clear up MANY misleading statements made by all the stations.
1. These dogs are NOT Olde English Bulldogges, They are NOT English Bulldogs either!!!
2. These are American Bulldog mixes bred by a very irresponsible backyard breeder.
3. Fox news has stated that the dogs mauled a woman, THIS HAS NOT BEEN FULLY CONCLUDED!
4. We have personally helped re-home dogs from this breeder due to his lack of irresponsibility. So, we have personally witnessed that they ARE NOT olde english bulldogges.
So, all in all, the Olde English Bulldogge and English Bulldogs are NOT an aggressive breed to be mislabeled and misrepresented by a backyard breeder breeding American Bulldog MIXES irresponsibly and without proper care.
Please research the breed and see for yourself the amazing temperment these bulldogges have. www.bulldoggerescues.com www.oneofakindbulldogs.com

Blogger Garnet  |  11/13/2012 10:03 PM  |  Flag  
..."the "Olde English Bulldogge, a re-creation of the original bull baiting dog from 1100 to 1835."

So, it's basically a pit bull. The pit bull was originally used for bull-baiting, and then it was repurposed into a fighting dog.

Pit bull nutters love to claim that "pit bull" isn't a breed, but a type. Well, okay then. I think it's perfectly fair to place the violent, bull-baiting/dog fighting breeds into the "pit bull type" category. None should be sold or promoted as family pets.

Blogger bitbypit  |  11/14/2012 1:02 AM  |  Flag  
We appreciate Ary Toussi's comment, but it must be pointed out that NO media outlet was responsible for haphazardly calling the breed "Olde English Bulldogges." San Diego County Department of Animal Services, most particularly spokesman Lt. Dan DeSousa, is the one who fed "Olde English Bulldogges" to all major media who reported on this attack.

Blogger vintage  |  11/14/2012 2:51 AM  |  Flag  
Let me state for the record:

The Bull Baiters of Stafford loved these things so much that they allowed them to go extinct.

It's getting to the point you can't take any information from anyone associated with the money train of the dog lobby; breeders, vets, A/C officers, rescues, humane orgs, etc...

Blogger Putme Incharge  |  11/14/2012 9:24 AM  |  Flag  
Ary Toussi said..."We have personally helped re-home dogs from this breeder due to his lack of irresponsibility"

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Wow, thank you so much for putting this kind of dog out among us.

Its great that you think violently bred dogs belong in the hands of ANYone much less the average pet person or rescue mommy.

I wonder how you sleep at night knowing its not IF one of these dogs will kill or maim another person or pet but when.

Blogger Miss Margo  |  11/14/2012 11:04 AM  |  Flag  
Yeah, like anyone who was not a gripping dog aficionado would even that "Olde English Bulldogges" even existed.

Ary's comment seems kinda confused (and confusing). And contradictory in logic.

I'm on my lunch break. Let me try to break this down:

1) the dogs are not OEBulldogges or English Bulldogges. (translation: these killer dogs are not my breed)

2) They are badly bred American Bulldogs. (translation: only "poorly bred" dogs would do this. Also, the dogs that did this are not my breed.)

3) We don't know that the woman was mauled to death. (denial)

4) "We have personally helped re-home dogs from this breeder due to his lack of irresponsibility." Besides the fact that this makes no sense, it is problematical for several reasons.

I'd like to see photos of the dogs who killed the victim. To be fair, the images of the OEBulldogge I found on Google Images suggest a less lethal animal than a regular pit bull.

OpenID maultalk  |  11/14/2012 6:03 PM  |  Flag  
So the Ambulldogge breeder is also running a pot operation? Wonder where he is right about now? The woman was discovered Sunday and it's already Wednesday -- no sign of Mr. Dog Breeder anywhere.

Blogger Putme Incharge  |  11/14/2012 6:10 PM  |  Flag  
I wonder if "Ary Toussi"- the woman who has admitted to selling dogs from this breeder through her "rescue"- will feel morally compelled to call the people that bought those dogs and make them aware of this killing.

My guess is she won't.

Is Lt. DeSousa going to finally call these dogs pit bulls or going to make up another name for them. You cross a pit bull (old english bulldog) to a pit bull (american bulldog) its a pit bull no matter what BS name you want to give it.


Blogger vintage  |  12/08/2012 1:24 AM  |  Flag  
Nice house in Socal?...

Housekeeper?!?

Mankilling American Pit Bulldog pups at $2500 a pop, all tax free?!?

Man...I should have learned to use a rape stand!!!

Lt Dan needs firing, he is a public safety menace! Still protecting marginal individuals like these breeders instead of the public.

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