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Blogger Kendra  |  5/08/2014 12:02 PM  |  Flag  
Of course the pit apologists are saying that you can't turn your back on any dog with a child or else this would happen. That is such an unrealistic rule, and it shows they know nothing about raising children. I go to the bathroom, put laundry in the machine, whatever and I'm not scared my yorkie would kill my family.

My neighbor's grandchildren like to play in the backyard with their bichon frise. It is possible my yorkie or the bichon would bite someone, but they most certainly will not maul someone to death, and it's absurd that the pit mongers don't see the difference.

I'm frustrated that people refuse to learn from others' mistakes and keep trusting pit bulls. They just assume it will never happen to them, and that's the same assumption this mother must have made when she allowed her son to play with the friend's pit bulls.

I don't care if people think I'm paranoid. There is no way I would ever visit, nor would I let my children visit a house with a pit bull. It's not worth the risk. My kids' safety is more important than some pit owner's delicate feelings. And if someone is more concerned about their pit than my kids, then they're no friend of mine anyway.

Blogger snack sized dog  |  5/08/2014 6:50 PM  |  Flag  
Don't know if this is a good sign or a bad sign, but fewer and fewer people will think you're paranoid for refusing to visit or allow your children visit a house with a pit bull.

Blogger Sputnik  |  5/09/2014 2:04 AM  |  Flag  
It's quite disturbing how quick not only the pit bull fanatics, but also so-called 'humane' societies are to malign all dogs and blatantly lie about them in order to normalize this behavior that is specifically typical of the gripping bulldog types.

So I'll reiterate the truth: The aggression shown by this pitbull-type of dog is both pathological and utterly abnormal in the domestic dog. It's a result of centuries of intensive selective breeding to perpetuate a rare set of mutations, making sure the fighting bulldog types carried this rare mutation throughout the whole class of bully type dogs.

The normal domestic dog is a conflict avoider. The normal domestic dog will bite only if it has no other way to escape from a frightening situation or to defend its physical integrity. Sometimes a normal dog will develop neuroses such as resource guarding (a result of human behavior) -- but even so, in all cases, the normal domestic dog will use only as much violence as is necessary to reach its goal. Then it will stop.

The behavior of the normal domestic dog is predictable based on its behavioral history. A dog that shows tolerance and friendliness throughout the months or years won't suddenly, out of the blue, attack life-upon-death. A dog that has always avoided conflict will not suddenly actively seek to kill you or your children -- not even if you go have a pee.

A peaceful behavioral history in the fighting / baiting types does not in any way predict what they'll do in future. It remains unpredictable when the switch will suddenly flip. No matter how wonderful they've seemed for all their life so far, there is always the risk that they'll suddenly go pit bull. Even if you don't go for a pee and are right there in the room.

The fighting / gripping bulldog types are so different from normal domestic dogs that there is actually justification to classify them in their own sub-species. Anyone -- from ACOs to academics -- who mouths the 'all dogs' meme is showing complete ignorance about the domestic dog as a species.

Blogger Kendra  |  5/09/2014 10:06 AM  |  Flag  
I think I'd call that a good sign, because it might mean more people are waking up to the dangers of those pit bulls.

I'm glad you mention this causal creep factor. I remember growing up in the 80's and kids played with dogs all the time without parents hovering over them with break sticks, tasers, and shotguns, always ready for a mauling attack. I walked to school by myself in 3rd grade and never feared the beagle down the street would kill me.

Now the new rule of kids and dogs is that you have to bring your children to the bathroom with you, you can't vacuum in one room while the kids nap in another, you can't let the dog sleep in the kids' room, and kids can't even play in their own yards without bodyguards. How sad that kids are treated like prison inmates while pit bulls get to run wild.

People with schnauzers, cocker spaniels, golden retreivers, shih tzus, dalmations, poodles, and collies don't have to hover over their children to prevent the dog from killing the children. Yet the pit apologists keep saying any dog could do this, as if they are all are as dangerous as pits.

Some child psychologists are now saying that the helicopter style of parenting is harmful to kids in the long run, because they don't grow up prepared to face challenges on their own. A big part of this shift in parenting styles is from stranger danger, but another big part of it is that people want to keep pit bulls as family pets. Since people are putting pit bulls in residential neighborhoods, parents have to become overprotective.

Blogger Staceyjwsolar  |  5/09/2014 1:54 PM  |  Flag  
Couldn't agree more Kendra. I am anti helicoptering, as all kids need time to play unsupervised, preferably outdoors. But it's hard to want to let your kid loose when there is an aggressive (any) pit 3 doors down.

Pits and their nutters ruin whole neighborhoods; they have more rights than everyone else when they are allowed to live in, and terrorize, residential areas. Just for basic bodily safety, WE have to build our lives around their whims, instead of just ridding our space of them.

Now it's *our* fault if mom peed, or ate, breathed, or cooked, and during this moment in time, our kid was killed/injured. Even in our own fenced YARDS! You visit a friend or a relative? You are really reviled.

Why? Because nowadays, no matter how good of a mom you are, if *anything* happens to for kid? Guess what? It's YOUR FAULT. No matter what you do, millions will come out to trash you for being a shitty parent, because "good" parents don't have kids that get killed.

"Good parents" hover 24/7, controlling everything with safety in mind. Sigh. It's exhausting. This feeds right into the nutter shtick about "bad owners, bad parents" instead of the obvious- dangerous animals!!! They use this attitude towards modern parents to blame everyone but the dog. This mindset allows parents to del safe, because they are "good", just like nutters are safe because they are "good" owners.

You leave the room for a minute and your kid gets killed? Not the dogs fault, not even the humans fault for owning such a beast, or visiting one. Nope, its MOMS fault for peeing! OR napping. Or chatting with friends. Or cooking. The list ins endless. It's an unrealistic standard, one that harms everyone.


AS long as there is a parent or owner to blame, they can maintain the lie that their dog isn't a killing machine.

Blogger Garnet  |  5/09/2014 10:01 PM  |  Flag  
It is very common for pit bull breeders (especially those producing fighting dogs) to inbreed so that they can maintain gameness in their lines.

However, plenty of show dog breeders also inbreed their dogs without producing killers. They may have dogs with odd genetic diseases, but you never hear of people being fatally mauled at dog shows. The problem with pit bulls is that the inbreeding is done specifically to maintain aggression and gameness (i.e. once the dog starts attacking, it won't stop).

It's disgusting that people are demonizing the parents here. They are already going through hell. People need to turn on the breeders of these dogs.

Blogger Farmer Jane  |  5/10/2014 7:56 AM  |  Flag  
The lies kill. Each time a person says the moronic, senseless phrase,"All dogs bite", or "It's how you raise them", they are enabling. They are essentially giving permission and saying it is ok to own a dog that may kill someone. When enough people say it, others view it as truth. I don't know if so many people are ignorant about dog breeding, or if they just get a kick out of feeling they are controlling the uncontrollable that they are happy to roll over and believe these inanities.
It doesn't help that pits have that Dr. Jeckyl/Mr, Hyde thing going on. It makes it easier for them to drink the kool aid and believe the lies.

Blogger snack sized dog  |  5/10/2014 8:18 AM  |  Flag  
Kendra, you're right of course, and thank you for your excellent observations.

Sputnik, that description about normal dogs has to be repeated over and over and over to fight the pit bull/all dogs are dangerous propaganda.

That's what they're really saying, isn't it, all dogs are as dangerous as fighting dogs. And they use the exceptions - because every biological creature has variation - they use the exceptions to the rule of safe conflict avoiding normal dog behavior - to "prove" all dogs are as dangerous as pit bulls.

Isn't the fact that in the 21st century there are still places that don't even have leash laws, let alone laws regulating dangerous and vicious dogs an indication that until very recently, dogs were overwhelmingly safe? And I say "overwhelmingly" and not "completely" safe because all animal populations will have individuals that behave outside of the norm.

Isn't the fact that so very many towns are prompted to enact leash laws and dangerous dog laws as a result of pit bull attacks an indication that the problem is pit bulls.

Blogger snack sized dog  |  5/10/2014 8:49 AM  |  Flag  
Staceyjwsolar - Thank you for these observations about parenting. I think the fact that we in the US for many years were striving to create safe communities allowed parents to allow their children to be independent, to socialize independently with other kids in the neighborhood, to be creative in play, to enjoy the outdoors and to view the world as an interesting place to explore and be a part of.

Now we support pit bulls ruining neighborhoods.

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