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Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/22/2009 3:54 AM  |  Flag  
Interesting...The nutters have gathered several thousabd signatures to prevent Vick from returning to the NFL...

Yet, the "retired" dogmen who fought dogs and now breed them are free to continue proliferating explosively dog aggressive IEDs.

It's whacked!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/22/2009 9:24 AM  |  Flag  
More details were recently released from Vick's dog fighting bust, USDA report

He put family pets in the ring with his dogs to watch those pets get mauled and killed for fun by the pit bulls

Those fighting dogs with the high prey drive are now being handed out to the public by groups like Bad Rap.

Whose child and/or pet has a mauling coming thanks to these rescue groups who are working for the pit bull breeders?

Anonymous ernie  |  1/22/2009 11:01 AM  |  Flag  
Vick is the poster child for psychopathy.

Grandiose sense of self-worth

Superficial charm

Criminal versatility

Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others Impulse control problems


Inability to tolerate boredom

Pathological narcissism

Pathological lying

Shallow affect


Aggressive or violent tendencies, repeated physical fights or assaults on others

Lack of empathy

Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizes having hurt or mistreated others

A sense of extreme entitlement

Lack of or diminished levels of anxiety/nervousness and other emotions

Promiscuous sexual behavior, sexually deviant lifestyle

Poor judgment, failure to learn from experience

Lack of personal insight

Failure to follow any life plan

Abuse of drugs including alcohol

Inability to distinguish right from wrong

Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/22/2009 12:08 PM  |  Flag  
Didn't know where to post this.....

A pit bull bites the finger off of a woman at a dog park...the pit bull was attacking a smaller dog, and the owner tried to save her dog; in the process, her finger was bitten off, right through her glove. It could not be reattached.

The pit bull had a HISTORY of attacking other dogs.

Anonymous Felony  |  1/22/2009 2:27 PM  |  Flag  
"The pit bull had a HISTORY of attacking other dogs."


Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/22/2009 7:39 PM  |  Flag  
Just a thought, but do any of you Dogsbite posters have any contacts in the insurance industry? It seems to me that the actuarial tables seem to coincide with the obvious breed specific information we see posted here. We know most insurers won't insure people with dangerous breeds, and that that information is based on actuarial tables. Is there a reason the insurance company won't make their actuarial tables on dog bites public?

We all know the information is companies are in the business of making money, and reducing risk by screening who they will sell policies to. Somewhere, there is a database on claims paid out to dog-bite victims based with information on the attacking dogs breed. The conversation would be over if that became would give irefutable proof that pit bulls are dangerous based on the number and severity of attacks, as evidenced by insurance claims pay-outs.

Is there any way to get that data and make it public?

Blogger bitbypit  |  1/22/2009 8:21 PM  |  Flag  
It's difficult to get private corporations, such as insurance companies, to make their data public. would love for any person with connections to an insurance company to take this task on.

Making such information public would help prevent future tragedies, provide hard data for policymakers and would likely lower claims for severe dog attacks, as there would be fewer pit bulls TO attack.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/23/2009 1:14 PM  |  Flag  
Dog fighters, dog breeders, the AKC, and Best Friends types are trying to get laws passed in states that force insurance companies to insure pit bulls and aggressive breeds, and don't charge a differential

Another way of making us pay for aggressive dogs

Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/24/2009 7:10 PM  |  Flag  
It would be very difficult to get that kind of insurance information. They speak in generalities, even to their agents. What we do know is that dog bite claims account for one third of all homeowners claims. That is a huge volume of dog bites. This article gives some more numbers -

I think what is important to keep in mind is that what insurance companies fear most is large claims, not just volume of claims. For certain dogs to be blacklisted, you have to assume that its not just the amount of bites as compared to other breeds, but the medical costs associated with those bites are higher than the average. As you can see, the average is not all that high ($25K) meaning most dog bite claims are not all that severe considering some of the medical figures we have seen posted on this site in the last year.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  1/25/2009 3:42 PM  |  Flag  
"As you can see, the average is not all that high ($25K) meaning most dog bite claims are not all that severe considering some of the medical figures we have seen posted on this site in the last year."

But I think this is very different for different breeds

Pit bulls, for example, are a minority of the population, but when they do bite (even not severely) the damage is much worse and much more costly than a lab or another breed

Anonymous mrs.Poodle  |  1/26/2009 2:57 PM  |  Flag  
If you have 500 dogs bites at 25000 average it is a total of 12,500,000 damage.
If 490 dogs do 2500 damage (rabies shots and some stiches) each it is a total of 1,225,000 which still leaves 11,275,000 damage for the other 10 dogs.
Averages don't mean much.

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