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Blogger cravendesires  |  6/15/2010 7:44 PM  |  Flag

neighbors say they were fearful of the dogs and even altered their own behavior in order to avoid the dogs. a landscaper who works at the property next to the dogs also reports that he was afraid of them. i don't know what possesses people to want to own dogs like this but i am glad the dogs killed the owner and not one of the neighbors or other innocent people who were just going about their daily business.

Blogger Stop Making Excuses  |  6/15/2010 8:03 PM  |  Flag  
What a horrible way to go!

Blogger Art  |  6/15/2010 9:41 PM  |  Flag  
Lorain County seems to love them some big, mean, nasty dogs.

Just 7 months ago two horrific looking Cane Corso mixes were wandering at large, bit a veterinarian, and caused mayhem.

Blogger ItsATragedy  |  6/16/2010 12:28 PM  |  Flag  
"Rescued" dogs?

As time goes on, thanks to No Kill, we are having more and more of these hoarding situations, and more and more people taking in dangerous dogs because the No Kill people tell them they can be fixed.

They never can.

If these dogs attacked this man, what were some of them doing to the smaller, weaker dogs?

Letting large numbers of aggressive dogs roam around in packs is NOT properly taking care of dogs, and I fear that we have another No Kill disaster here that the county should have been involved with long ago.

Rescues and shelters need to be licensed and inspected too.

There need to be some ground rules, for the health and safety of all, man and animal.

(I also wonder if Lorain County is not a dumping ground for unwanted dogs, perhaps because people's local animal control and shelters have gone No Kill and won't take them in, or have a ridiculous "waiting list." Wherever this No Kill insanity is in place, trouble follows. No Kill has killed so many in brutal, uncivilized ways.)

OpenID trigger770  |  6/16/2010 12:40 PM  |  Flag  
This is from the Topix board:

i work at the hospital down the road from where this happened(and from where the ambulance was dispatched) and was told by a co-worker that EMS had been on scene for about 20 minutes and had yet to get to the victim because of the dogs. apparently they were all growling and barking at the EMS crew...

OpenID trigger770  |  6/16/2010 12:48 PM  |  Flag  
Oh God. Oh God. Read this:

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/16/2010 3:33 PM  |  Flag  
The following post by ItsATragedy was meant to be posted at this story:
From Trigger's link.

"Sheriff’s Sgt. Don Barker said that when deputies arrived, they fanned out across the sprawling 9.12 -acre property with members of county Dog Warden Jack Szlempa Sr.’s staff to deal with the dogs, two of which were shot when they approached deputies in an aggressive manner.

During the hours-long search of the fenced-in property for the dogs, neighbors were told to stay inside their homes and media were largely kept back from the scene because of safety concerns.

Seven other dogs were euthanised at the scene, Chief Deputy Dennis Cavanaugh said. A 10th dog that was inside the house at the time of the attack was spared, he said. Barker said authorities had no choice but to put down all of the dogs, which varied in size and breed, but included a mastiff and a Rottweiler.“All the dogs are going to be euthanised,” he said. “There’s no way to tell which ones were involved.”

Kywa didn’t object to the dogs being put down, Barker said.

The dogs will be tested for diseases, including rabies, Matus said.

Barker said the only call to the home that deputies have responded to in recent years was a 2001 burglary call, but Szlempa said his office has been called out to the home twice in the past two or three years. The most recent call, he said, took place about a year and a half ago and involved several dogs attacking another dog, but no report was taken on the incident because it occurred on private property."

Another problem situation that the county and the dog warden should have handled YEARS ago. They KNEW this was a problem situation that was headed for disaster, and these people could not handle these dogs and did not have appropriate facilities, and also that they had packs of vicious dogs.

What does it matter that this was on "private property?" Most vicious dog attacks do. They just didn't bother to take a report? That's their JOB is to make reports. More government employees failing at their jobs, and helping to set up a deadly situation.

And as I speculated, vicious dogs killing other dogs. Typical No Kill situation.

Also the neighbors were very open about the viciousness and barking of these animals. Why was nothing done? Was animal control dumping dogs here?

Blogger HonestyHelps  |  6/16/2010 6:19 PM  |  Flag  
In the years that I had a sanctuary, I never had a problem with dog on dog aggression. The only time would be at night and the dogs would "spar" a little to determine who would get to sleep with the cat. If a dog came in new and went after the cat, the other dogs would put it in it's place and that dog would never go after the cat again. Each one was fed separately so no problems with food aggression either. I studied this "pack" of dogs, ever changing, and never had to break up a fight. But then again, never had a pit or anything close in that pack, mostly hounds of some type. And they roamed freely, always coming home at dusk. We lived in the middle of no where, no other neighbors, just woods. And they were all altered when people had never heard of spay/neuter. I wonder if any of these dogs were altered. I can't imagine the horrors of being attacked by several dogs.

And yes, this can be contributed to "No Kill". Hoarding is becoming out of hand and all under the guise of "No Kill". In California, all you have to do to get animals from the shelters is PRESENT yourself as a rescue, you do not have to be a 501c3. And now the Whino is pimping the Hayden in New York as the Oreo bill. I want rescues regulated, not given free rein. They are out of control with this "No Kill" movement.

Blogger cravendesires  |  6/16/2010 6:32 PM  |  Flag  
1 rottweiler, 3 pit bull/boxers and 5 bull mastiffs. nine powerful dogs. it is amazing to me that they could identity this body at all.

Blogger ItsATragedy  |  6/16/2010 7:57 PM  |  Flag  
Hours long.

The neighborhood on lockdown.

The cost of cleaning up this bomb that had been waiting to go off (which eventually did) was big for the Lorain County taxpayer.

And what if that emergency personnel had been needed at another urgent call? Someone else could have died because all hands were dealing with this insane situation that never should have been allowed to go on on.

The only family pet was living in the house.

The vicious dogs were out where they could have escaped and killed a neighbor. Or several.

I wonder if these dogs were not previous bite cases that made it through the underground to end up at this place instead of being properly euthanized where they originated?


Was this one of those sorts of places that Best Friends wants vicious dogs sent to? Or that irresponsible towns agree to let vicious dogs get sent to?

The sort of place that abuses and endangers when adults don't want to be RESPONSIBLE and do the RESPONSIBLE thing and euthanize vicious dogs.

Howwever, one of the articles intimated that this man placed some of these vicious dogs in new homes. The thought is frightening.

There are many questions here that needs answers, because there are more places like this out there.

Blogger 4truth  |  6/17/2010 8:07 AM  |  Flag  
At first when I read this story, I was thinking about the various unidentifiable mutts that are always dumped out in the country and breed like crazy. That's what I thought they were "rescuing" at first, so I was a little surprised.

Then I read the update. Now I'm not surprised. Thankfully an innocent person wasn't injured or killed because of their stupidity. I bet I can't say the same for the various normal dogs that were dumped or the local wildlife.

OpenID trigger770  |  6/17/2010 1:22 PM  |  Flag  
The man cared for his dogs, but apparently did not spay/neuter them.

Barker said several months ago one of the dogs had a litter of puppies and Kywa obtained licenses for all of them. Four of those animals have since been given to Kywa’s friends and family.

OpenID trigger770  |  6/17/2010 8:17 PM  |  Flag  
In the past two years, the Erie Shores Humane Society received three anonymous calls about dogs fighting or being beaten with a 2-by-4 board at the property, said Shannon Moss, a humane investigator for the society. A rescue worker for neglected animals, Moss sometimes will care for 10 or 20 dogs in kennels at his Oberlin home. Moss visited the Kywa-Winters home three times after the complaints. “They did not seem sickly or malnourished to me,” Moss said. “They did seem overly aggressive.” He said he once spoke to Kywa through the fence and Kywa stated his dogs were well cared for. “Why did he have this kind of dogs? Why did they have this kind of aggressive dogs of this nature?” Moss said. “This didn’t just happen out of a fluke. These were some mean dogs there. Why were they there?”

Blogger ItsATragedy  |  6/18/2010 3:10 PM  |  Flag  

Yet again, this seems to be a BREEDING OPERATION breeding and selling vicious dogs, and using the cover of a fake "rescue."

I wonder if he was not using the emotional bait and false misnomer of "rescue" to get people to buy dogs, when he was breeding them all the time.

Also to avoid paying taxes.

But the really disturbing thing is that there was a history, a history of aggression, abuse, dangerous dogs. Why did no one deal with this problem?

These dogs could have escaped from that shoddy operation and killed a neighboring family.

Why didn't anyone step in?

These operations need to be licensed and inspected. There need to be some rules, and they need to be required to follow them.

Aggressive dogs living outdoors in packs? The results of this were as clear as day.

It's a miracle that an innocent party wasn't killed- a delivery man, a neighbor, the mailman, a child walking to school down the road.

The pathetic thing is that if this guy had been running a junkyard there would have been more rules, inspections, and enforcement. And junk doesn't kill people.

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