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Blogger cravendesires  |  12/20/2009 11:43 PM  |  Flag  
according to the best friends calculator, it would cost council bluffs $84,170 to defend their pit bull ban annually.

that's quite a discrepancy but then again, what do you expect?
pit nutters telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!?

losing all credibility in 5, 4, 3...

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 1:41 AM  |  Flag  
I went looking for information about Ledy VanKavage recently and encountered an article titled "Training Secrets for the Bully Breeds", which shed a lot of light on her mentality. In it, she waxes eloquent about "Boody", her childhood pit bull, best friend, and partner who "often fought with other dogs". She reminisces about "jumping into the middle of a dog fight when I was 6 and pulling Boody off another dog because someone had called the police" and says she "didn't want the cops to shoot my dog". She goes on to lament Boody's end, "he got in a fight, he was able to drag himself to our street, where he met me every day on my walk home from school. I found him on my way home. We took him to the vet, but he died of his fighting wounds. To this day I grieve for him".

How touching. I'm sure all of the owners of all of the dogs Boody annhilated still mourn their dogs too. Some of them were probably just 6 or 8 years old as well.

It seems that what pit owners universally admire the most about their dogs is their "willingness to fight". They can label it gameness, drive, or courage all they want, but what they really love is the fact that their dogs are the toughest in the dog world. And none of them ever consider the suffering of the other dogs or the their owners. They are truly the most narcissistic group of people one can imagine. How frightening that one of them is drafting laws that keep placing children in the jaws of their monsters.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 4:13 AM  |  Flag  
A few studies have also identified the paying source for medical treatment of hospitalized dog bite victims....

nearly 50 percent comes from Government sources!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 4:24 AM  |  Flag  
Thank You Bledy Van Karnage for ensuring that this owner had "The Right" to recklessly and cheaply maintain a "Crop Circle Dog"!

"Prevent the Deed, Regulate the Breed"

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 6:25 AM  |  Flag  
Really interesting to see they've changed their argument to the cost of things now that we are in an economic crisis.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 7:28 AM  |  Flag  
The whole tax payer being bitten in the azz will never be revealed by the Nutters.

1) Breeders recklessly pump out maulers with declaring income, nor collect/remit sales tax.

2) Pit owners(least likely to register dog) abandon dogs at record numbers consuming the vast majority of A/C resources and funding.

3. Cost of first responders shooting these animals/transporting victims not captured.

4. Medical Payments...Studies are showing that 48 percent of medical payments for mauling victims in poorer areas come from Medicaid/Medicare. Only 3 percent of dog 'bites" are considered SEVERE and the vast majority of those come from Pit Bulls.

Ms Van Karnage set the stage for this good woman to be killed and this Pit Perp to walk! Watch for a spike in Pit maulings now that the message has been sent to the area Pit owners that no accountability exists!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 7:30 AM  |  Flag  
In Aurora,CO... Judge Daniel slapped the nutter group with paying the city's legal costs to defend their Pit Bull restrictions.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 7:30 AM  |  Flag  
I hope he keeps going and doesn't give up his fight for a ban, it's going to be a real battle. Keep up your good work!!!!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 8:35 AM  |  Flag  
The lesson here should be that a Pit owner should never be allowed to influence a Dangerous Dog Law...It is like allowing the Alcohol Lobby to influence traffic laws!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 8:47 AM  |  Flag  
Interesting insight on VanKavage. You hear a lot of rhetoric from the allegedly "responsible" pit bull owners, like "an APBT won't always start a fight, but they will finish one". On some psychological level, these people like the fact that their dogs can kill other dogs. That's part of the appeal for them.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 9:30 AM  |  Flag  
Or the cost to property owners, victims, etc when first responders CAN'T EVEN FIGHT A FIRE, INVESTIGATE A CRIME, or GET SOMEONE INTO AN AMBULANCE because they have to fight off an aggressive pit bull preventing them from their duties?

This happens again and again.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 9:49 AM  |  Flag  
The bottom line is that Ledy VanKavage and Best Friends are now working WITH pit bull breeders.

Their propaganda is for the protection of FINANCIAL INTERESTS of pit bull breeders, who do not want regulation because it would affect their $$

(Breeders, who by the way, aren't even reporting their income or paying taxes)

Ledy VanKavage and Best Friends lobby for - NOT the protection of public safety, or even of the dogs themselves!

They lobby for the dollar interests of breeders and their pseudo pit bull "rescue" groups which also bring in cash

THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY for Best Friends.

VanKavage is even registered as a professional lobbyist for the Best Friends/pit bull breeder interests!

This is the equivalent of the tobacco companies trying to convince the public and authorities that pit bulls are "safe" and "ok." They did that for years with fake statistics and spurious claims.

When the body count got considered and the deaths were piling up (and the cost to society counted) the tobacco companies got regulated.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 9:52 AM  |  Flag  
There is also the enormous cost of picking up/housing/handling stray pit bulls. The taxpayer picks up this bill!

Everywhere there are pit bull bans or pit bull regulations, the number of dumped and abandoned pit bulls goes DOWN.


Even in San Francisco, where they passed mandatory spay neuter for pit bulls, the number of pit bulls in the shelters and pounds dropped by more than half in a very short period of time!!

The taxpayer is saving millions over the years just there

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 11:13 AM  |  Flag  
In the 50's, the Tobacco Companies even Pimped real Doctors in ads touting the benefits of "safe" cigarettes.

The Dog industry is at the same stage and it is criminal!

This is a multi-Billion Dollar annual business that will do anything/say anything to stay untaxed, liability free and unregulated. They support the Pit community because they don't want the slippery slope!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 12:15 PM  |  Flag  
"In it, she waxes eloquent about "Boody", her childhood pit bull, best friend, and partner who "often fought with other dogs""

This is EXTREMELY strange.

Ledy is an older woman.

When she was a child, no one other than fighting related families had pit bulls at home.

Pit bulls were only found in areas with dog fighting.

Of course, in some of these southern states, dog fighting was legal back then and many authorities participated in it

But no "aserage" normal family had a pit bull as a "pet" back then.

This makes me wonder about her family dynamics, and what some family members were involved with.

Anonymous Felony  |  12/21/2009 12:59 PM  |  Flag  
I live in western Washington and rumor has it that when the city of Auburn looked into banning pit bulls, the ACF crazy Glen Bui had a tantrum and insisted that all dogs over a certain weight (maybe 35lbs) should be regulated. When the city began hearings, Bui showed up and argued against the language that he insisted be added!
I have a feeling, the same fate awaits all of this DNA testing bullshit. It is common knowledge that these tests are not reliable, yet there is an insistence that the dogs be tested. Pit nutters like language and arguments that can easily be tailored to suit their needs at the moment.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 1:40 PM  |  Flag  
There is the cost for police and animal control officers getting bitten by pit bulls, another common occurence

Not only medical costs, but people not able to work, paying for replacements, reduced effectiveness, even early retirement due to the injuries

ALL PAID BY THE TAXPAYER!

Anonymous Trigger  |  12/21/2009 2:13 PM  |  Flag  
Perfect example; we've got a double biter in Bayonne. Since seriously injuring 70-year old Maria Zaldana, the pit bull has now attacked a shelter worker.
---
http://www.nj.com/bayonne/index.ssf/2009/12/pit_bull_in_bayonne_attack_on.html

Tax payers will pick up the bill!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 3:02 PM  |  Flag  
I say if they want to go down the ridiculous DNA testing road, make the tests a requirement of breeders who want to sell dogs as "pit bulls". Every breeding pair must be tested, and every offspring as well. Results must be included with every sale. Any pit bull that doesn't have one of these breeder certificates gets confiscated as a fighting breed of unspecified origin and put down. As soon as you turn the cost back onto the breeders, they'll shut up about that one very quickly.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 5:18 PM  |  Flag  
Pawshank Redemption Part II...The exact same thing just happened down in Lousiana because a nutter fought the system to keep her breeding stock mauler alive.....

PREVENT THE DEED, NO MORE BREED!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 7:30 PM  |  Flag  
Another cost to the taxpayer. POLICE DOGS getting attacked by pit bulls. Another fairly common occurence.

Anonymous Trigger  |  12/21/2009 7:56 PM  |  Flag  
Training Secrets for Bully Breeds
"Ledy Van Kavage’s first and best friend was an American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) named Boody, a stray puppy her family adopted when Ledy was 4. Boody was a partner in all of Van Kavage’s childhood exploits. She recalls hiding out with Boody in his dog house when she didn’t want to come indoors. But that was decades ago, “before the time of responsible ownership,” says Van Kavage of Maryville, Illinois, who is now the Midwest regional legislative liaison for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA).

Not only was Boody allowed to roam, he was never neutered, and he often fought with other dogs. Intact adult male dogs of all breeds are well-known to be more likely to fight than neutered males or females. Adding a biological imperative to a bully breed’s genetic programming is like pulling the pin on a hand granade. “I remember jumping into the middle of a dog fight when I was 6 and pulling Boody off another dog because someone had called the police,” Van Kavage recalls. “I didn’t want the cops to shoot my dog.”

Tragically, Boody’s propensity to fight and his unneutered status were his undoing. “He got in a fight,” Van Kavage remembers. “He was able to drag himself to our street, where he met me every day on my walk home from school. I found him on my way home. We took him to the vet, but he died of his fighting wounds. To this day I grieve for him.”

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http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-magazines/popular-dogs/articletraining_bully_breeds.aspx

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 8:27 PM  |  Flag  
Great find!...Very enlightening...I always thought Van Karnage was an ethereal newcomer to Pits! Generational neighborhood dog shredder!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 8:34 PM  |  Flag  
How did Ledy know that Boody was a Pit Bull without a DNA test?!?

How do we know any of the Vick Dogs she pimps around are Pit Bulls without a DNA test?!?

Is this woman really an attorney?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 8:47 PM  |  Flag  
Ledy VanKavage has been pit pimping since the age of 4! LMAO!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 9:54 PM  |  Flag  
Yes, thanks for posting the excerpt from that article I discussed earlier. I wanted to post it but I can't seem to copy and paste to the comments section.

The power of someone like VanKavage is really frightening. One of my great hopes is that someone in an equivalent position becomes as strong an advocate AGAINST pit bulls. Unfortunately, it is going take a personal tragedy for that person before it becomes an important enough issue.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 10:18 PM  |  Flag  
Maybe Ledy grew up in an environment where treatment of animals like that (and pit bulls) was normal, but it wasn't in much of America.

I just have a big doubt about this whole "found as a stray" thing

Pit bulls back then were found in dogfighting country

As for blaming this on the unneutered status, Ledy OPPOSES mandatory spay neuter, despite the fact that it improves life for pit bulls

It is pretty clear where her interests lie, and it isn't with "humane" interests

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/21/2009 10:21 PM  |  Flag  
"Is this woman really an attorney?"

If she could cut it in that field, she wouldn't be pimping for the dog breeders

The things she says make zero sense, and a judge would rip her to pieces like one of her pit bulls

She has no power. It is just that many authority figures are very ignorant about the corrupt dog breeder underground and their lobbying.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 3:30 AM  |  Flag  
The Jere Alexanders and Van Karnage's cannot be allowed to drive Dog Safety policy in this country!

I wonder how many others are out there masquerading as Animal Welfare Advocates?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 6:00 AM  |  Flag  
Why hasn't Ms Van Kavage been asked her thoughts on the effectiveness of Anna's Law?

The fact that this owner was able to chain out a "Crop Circle Pit on the cheap", and have it break containment leading to death without charges is assinine.

She needs to explain this!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 6:38 AM  |  Flag  
"To this day I grieve for him"...

How about grieving for the all neighborhood dogs Boody shredded?!?

PREVENT THE DEED... REGULATE THE BREED!

Anonymous Trigger  |  12/22/2009 9:48 AM  |  Flag  
"She needs to explain this!"

If you noticed, the TV station that reported the story is Missouri-based (St. Louis), not Illinois-based. KSDK is about 125 miles away from Koehler and across state lines! St. Louis as you know recently pimped out the many so called "rehabilitated" fighting dogs. Clearly Ledy had a pre-existing relationship with the TV station. According to the Missouri Ethics Commission, Ledy has been a registered lobbyist in Missouri for Best Friends (yes, she was a registered lobbyist for Best Friends while still employed by the ASPCA) since at least 2001.
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http://www.mec.mo.gov/EthicsWeb/
http://tinyurl.com/yap769g

By the way, none of Ledy's efforts seem to be stopping the many Missouri cities who are adopting pit bull laws.

http://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dogs-missouri.htm

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 12:40 PM  |  Flag  
"Clearly Ledy had a pre-existing relationship with the TV station"

You hit it on the head.

This is the problem. Fake or unethical "reporters" simply propagandizing on behalf of their personal friends or contacts.

Even their business associates.

The same thing also happens with Nathan Winograd, getting promoted by dog breeder lobbyists pretending to be "journalists"

Missouri is also one of the key dogfighting states in this country (puppy mills too, and many affiliated with AKC, including the biggest puppy mill broker in the country, Hunte Corp. Dog fighters and puppy millers, and "responsible" breeders all lobby together for the same things) so there is a flow of dog breeder lobbying money from Missouri that certainly is falling into the hands of front groups and front lobbyists willing to do their dirty work for them.

Especially those who can get dog breeder lobbying into the press with a veneer of "humane" interest to cover the financial interests.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 5:05 PM  |  Flag  
Trigger, I thought I read somewhere that Ledy VanKavage's husband (different last name) works in journalism?

Does anyone know?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 5:12 PM  |  Flag  
Ledy VanKavage whose full name is Elise Ledy Ann VanKavage

got her JD at St Louis University

http://www.martindale.com/Elise-Ann-VanKavage/946161-lawyer.htm

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 5:24 PM  |  Flag  
VanKavage clearly considers herself a Missouri lawyer

http://members.mobar.org/pdfs/precedent/feb09/transitions.pdf

"legislative legal analyst" for Best Friends

What does THAT mean?

Best Friends can't even get laws passed in their own state to make animal cruelty a felony or to punish people for it

Their "legislative" activity is practically null

So how much does Best Friends pay her? And what does she do exactly other than lobby for pit bull breeders?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 5:35 PM  |  Flag  
VanKavage's husband is Cliff Froehlich

He was indeed a journalist through January 2006

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cliff-froehlich/5/1a3/36

Arts and Entertainment Editor at St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Executive Editor at Riverfront Times

Ledy's husband is getting her into the press and promoting her.

More journalistic lack of integrity.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 5:41 PM  |  Flag  
However Cliff Froehlich, Ledy's husband, is still clearly working in the journalism trade

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/reviews.nsf/book/story/67DB872ACECCF25F862574F300775E88?OpenDocument

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 5:43 PM  |  Flag  
Bob Koehler should file a formal complaint about Ledy VanKavage's appearance in the article about him

Ledy is being allowed to propagandize and distort the issue with falsehoods, and enable deaths like his mother's, thanks to her husband's connections to the media

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2009 6:30 PM  |  Flag  
Ledy VanKavage was directly involved in smearing and trying to destroy Tom Skeldon and get him fired, and trying to hurt him for protecting public safety and following Ohio law, and Ledy was also agitating for taxpayer dollars to be used for "DNA testing" to promote and protect pit bulls DESPITE Ohio's legal definition of pit bulls as DANGEROUS.

Ledy wants the taxpayer to pay for DNA testing every dog!

Something the taxpayer has absolutely no obligation nor even right to do

Just to protect pit bull breeders and dog fighters, and help spread the breeding and ownership of pit bulls, and endanger the public!

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091106/NEWS16/911060345/0/SPORTS01

"Ms. VanKavage was in Toledo at the invitation of Jean Keating and her organization, the Ohio Coalition of Dog Advocates, which has been agitating for the firing of Lucas County Dog Warden Tom Skeldon"

"Lucas County Commissioner Ben Konop, who has been pushing for change in the dog warden's operation, asked if there were DNA grants Lucas County might apply for. She said she thought funding was available."

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/26/2009 5:43 AM  |  Flag  
1st documented kill at age 6!

Ever notice how Best Friends doesn't expend any of it's $20 Million in assets on busting dog fighters?!?

Anonymous Trigger  |  2/25/2010 1:58 PM  |  Flag  
The City of Flora is a home rule community and they do NOT have to abide by the Illinois law that prohibits BSL. Go for it Flora!

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/20/2010 8:13 AM  |  Flag  
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by cravendesires 12/20/2009 10:43 PM
according to the best friends calculator, it would cost council bluffs $84,170 to defend their pit bull ban annually.

that's quite a discrepancy but then again, what do you expect?
pit nutters telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth!?

losing all credibility in 5, 4, 3...

Anonymous 12/21/2009 12:41 AM
I went looking for information about Ledy VanKavage recently and encountered an article titled "Training Secrets for the Bully Breeds", which shed a lot of light on her mentality. In it, she waxes eloquent about "Boody", her childhood pit bull, best friend, and partner who "often fought with other dogs". She reminisces about "jumping into the middle of a dog fight when I was 6 and pulling Boody off another dog because someone had called the police" and says she "didn't want the cops to shoot my dog". She goes on to lament Boody's end, "he got in a fight, he was able to drag himself to our street, where he met me every day on my walk home from school. I found him on my way home. We took him to the vet, but he died of his fighting wounds. To this day I grieve for him".

How touching. I'm sure all of the owners of all of the dogs Boody annhilated still mourn their dogs too. Some of them were probably just 6 or 8 years old as well.

It seems that what pit owners universally admire the most about their dogs is their "willingness to fight". They can label it gameness, drive, or courage all they want, but what they really love is the fact that their dogs are the toughest in the dog world. And none of them ever consider the suffering of the other dogs or the their owners. They are truly the most narcissistic group of people one can imagine. How frightening that one of them is drafting laws that keep placing children in the jaws of their monsters.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 3:13 AM
A few studies have also identified the paying source for medical treatment of hospitalized dog bite victims....

nearly 50 percent comes from Government sources!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 3:24 AM
Thank You Bledy Van Karnage for ensuring that this owner had "The Right" to recklessly and cheaply maintain a "Crop Circle Dog"!

"Prevent the Deed, Regulate the Breed"

Anonymous 12/21/2009 5:25 AM
Really interesting to see they've changed their argument to the cost of things now that we are in an economic crisis.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 6:28 AM
The whole tax payer being bitten in the azz will never be revealed by the Nutters.

1) Breeders recklessly pump out maulers with declaring income, nor collect/remit sales tax.

2) Pit owners(least likely to register dog) abandon dogs at record numbers consuming the vast majority of A/C resources and funding.

3. Cost of first responders shooting these animals/transporting victims not captured.

4. Medical Payments...Studies are showing that 48 percent of medical payments for mauling victims in poorer areas come from Medicaid/Medicare. Only 3 percent of dog 'bites" are considered SEVERE and the vast majority of those come from Pit Bulls.

Ms Van Karnage set the stage for this good woman to be killed and this Pit Perp to walk! Watch for a spike in Pit maulings now that the message has been sent to the area Pit owners that no accountability exists!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 6:30 AM
In Aurora,CO... Judge Daniel slapped the nutter group with paying the city's legal costs to defend their Pit Bull restrictions.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 6:30 AM
I hope he keeps going and doesn't give up his fight for a ban, it's going to be a real battle. Keep up your good work!!!!

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/20/2010 8:15 AM  |  Flag  
And another set:

Anonymous 12/21/2009 7:35 AM
The lesson here should be that a Pit owner should never be allowed to influence a Dangerous Dog Law...It is like allowing the Alcohol Lobby to influence traffic laws!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 7:47 AM
Interesting insight on VanKavage. You hear a lot of rhetoric from the allegedly "responsible" pit bull owners, like "an APBT won't always start a fight, but they will finish one". On some psychological level, these people like the fact that their dogs can kill other dogs. That's part of the appeal for them.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 8:30 AM
Or the cost to property owners, victims, etc when first responders CAN'T EVEN FIGHT A FIRE, INVESTIGATE A CRIME, or GET SOMEONE INTO AN AMBULANCE because they have to fight off an aggressive pit bull preventing them from their duties?

This happens again and again.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 8:49 AM
The bottom line is that Ledy VanKavage and Best Friends are now working WITH pit bull breeders.

Their propaganda is for the protection of FINANCIAL INTERESTS of pit bull breeders, who do not want regulation because it would affect their $$

(Breeders, who by the way, aren't even reporting their income or paying taxes)

Ledy VanKavage and Best Friends lobby for - NOT the protection of public safety, or even of the dogs themselves!

They lobby for the dollar interests of breeders and their pseudo pit bull "rescue" groups which also bring in cash

THIS IS ALL ABOUT THE MONEY for Best Friends.

VanKavage is even registered as a professional lobbyist for the Best Friends/pit bull breeder interests!

This is the equivalent of the tobacco companies trying to convince the public and authorities that pit bulls are "safe" and "ok." They did that for years with fake statistics and spurious claims.

When the body count got considered and the deaths were piling up (and the cost to society counted) the tobacco companies got regulated.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 8:52 AM
There is also the enormous cost of picking up/housing/handling stray pit bulls. The taxpayer picks up this bill!

Everywhere there are pit bull bans or pit bull regulations, the number of dumped and abandoned pit bulls goes DOWN.


Even in San Francisco, where they passed mandatory spay neuter for pit bulls, the number of pit bulls in the shelters and pounds dropped by more than half in a very short period of time!!

The taxpayer is saving millions over the years just there

Anonymous 12/21/2009 10:13 AM
In the 50's, the Tobacco Companies even Pimped real Doctors in ads touting the benefits of "safe" cigarettes.

The Dog industry is at the same stage and it is criminal!

This is a multi-Billion Dollar annual business that will do anything/say anything to stay untaxed, liability free and unregulated. They support the Pit community because they don't want the slippery slope!

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/20/2010 8:17 AM  |  Flag  
And another set:

Anonymous 12/21/2009 11:15 AM
"In it, she waxes eloquent about "Boody", her childhood pit bull, best friend, and partner who "often fought with other dogs""

This is EXTREMELY strange.

Ledy is an older woman.

When she was a child, no one other than fighting related families had pit bulls at home.

Pit bulls were only found in areas with dog fighting.

Of course, in some of these southern states, dog fighting was legal back then and many authorities participated in it

But no "aserage" normal family had a pit bull as a "pet" back then.

This makes me wonder about her family dynamics, and what some family members were involved with.

Felony 12/21/2009 11:59 AM
I live in western Washington and rumor has it that when the city of Auburn looked into banning pit bulls, the ACF crazy Glen Bui had a tantrum and insisted that all dogs over a certain weight (maybe 35lbs) should be regulated. When the city began hearings, Bui showed up and argued against the language that he insisted be added!
I have a feeling, the same fate awaits all of this DNA testing bullshit. It is common knowledge that these tests are not reliable, yet there is an insistence that the dogs be tested. Pit nutters like language and arguments that can easily be tailored to suit their needs at the moment.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 12:40 PM
There is the cost for police and animal control officers getting bitten by pit bulls, another common occurence

Not only medical costs, but people not able to work, paying for replacements, reduced effectiveness, even early retirement due to the injuries

ALL PAID BY THE TAXPAYER!

Trigger 12/21/2009 1:13 PM
Perfect example; we've got a double biter in Bayonne. Since seriously injuring 70-year old Maria Zaldana, the pit bull has now attacked a shelter worker.
---
http://www.nj.com/bayonne/index.ssf/2009/12/pit_bull_in_bayonne_attack_on.html

Tax payers will pick up the bill!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 2:02 PM
I say if they want to go down the ridiculous DNA testing road, make the tests a requirement of breeders who want to sell dogs as "pit bulls". Every breeding pair must be tested, and every offspring as well. Results must be included with every sale. Any pit bull that doesn't have one of these breeder certificates gets confiscated as a fighting breed of unspecified origin and put down. As soon as you turn the cost back onto the breeders, they'll shut up about that one very quickly.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 4:18 PM
Pawshank Redemption Part II...The exact same thing just happened down in Lousiana because a nutter fought the system to keep her breeding stock mauler alive.....

PREVENT THE DEED, NO MORE BREED!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 6:30 PM
Another cost to the taxpayer. POLICE DOGS getting attacked by pit bulls. Another fairly common occurrence.

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/20/2010 8:19 AM  |  Flag  
And another set:

Trigger 12/21/2009 6:56 PM
Training Secrets for Bully Breeds
"Ledy Van Kavage’s first and best friend was an American Pit Bull Terrier (APBT) named Boody, a stray puppy her family adopted when Ledy was 4. Boody was a partner in all of Van Kavage’s childhood exploits. She recalls hiding out with Boody in his dog house when she didn’t want to come indoors. But that was decades ago, “before the time of responsible ownership,” says Van Kavage of Maryville, Illinois, who is now the Midwest regional legislative liaison for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA).

Not only was Boody allowed to roam, he was never neutered, and he often fought with other dogs. Intact adult male dogs of all breeds are well-known to be more likely to fight than neutered males or females. Adding a biological imperative to a bully breed’s genetic programming is like pulling the pin on a hand granade. “I remember jumping into the middle of a dog fight when I was 6 and pulling Boody off another dog because someone had called the police,” Van Kavage recalls. “I didn’t want the cops to shoot my dog.”

Tragically, Boody’s propensity to fight and his unneutered status were his undoing. “He got in a fight,” Van Kavage remembers. “He was able to drag himself to our street, where he met me every day on my walk home from school. I found him on my way home. We took him to the vet, but he died of his fighting wounds. To this day I grieve for him.”
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http://www.dogchannel.com/dog-magazines/popular-dogs/articletraining_bully_breeds.aspx

Anonymous 12/21/2009 7:27 PM
Great find!...Very enlightening...I always thought Van Karnage was an ethereal newcomer to Pits! Generational neighborhood dog shredder!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 7:34 PM
How did Ledy know that Boody was a Pit Bull without a DNA test?!?

How do we know any of the Vick Dogs she pimps around are Pit Bulls without a DNA test?!?

Is this woman really an attorney?

Anonymous 12/21/2009 7:47 PM
Ledy VanKavage has been pit pimping since the age of 4! LMAO!

Anonymous 12/21/2009 8:54 PM
Yes, thanks for posting the excerpt from that article I discussed earlier. I wanted to post it but I can't seem to copy and paste to the comments section.

The power of someone like VanKavage is really frightening. One of my great hopes is that someone in an equivalent position becomes as strong an advocate AGAINST pit bulls. Unfortunately, it is going take a personal tragedy for that person before it becomes an important enough issue.

Anonymous 12/21/2009 9:18 PM
Maybe Ledy grew up in an environment where treatment of animals like that (and pit bulls) was normal, but it wasn't in much of America.

I just have a big doubt about this whole "found as a stray" thing

Pit bulls back then were found in dogfighting country

As for blaming this on the unneutered status, Ledy OPPOSES mandatory spay neuter, despite the fact that it improves life for pit bulls

It is pretty clear where her interests lie, and it isn't with "humane" interests

Anonymous 12/21/2009 9:21 PM
"Is this woman really an attorney?"

If she could cut it in that field, she wouldn't be pimping for the dog breeders

The things she says make zero sense, and a judge would rip her to pieces like one of her pit bulls

She has no power. It is just that many authority figures are very ignorant about the corrupt dog breeder underground and their lobbying.

Anonymous 12/22/2009 2:30 AM
The Jere Alexanders and Van Karnage's cannot be allowed to drive Dog Safety policy in this country!

I wonder how many others are out there masquerading as Animal Welfare Advocates?

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/20/2010 8:20 AM  |  Flag  
And another set:

Anonymous 12/22/2009 5:00 AM
Why hasn't Ms Van Kavage been asked her thoughts on the effectiveness of Anna's Law?

The fact that this owner was able to chain out a "Crop Circle Pit on the cheap", and have it break containment leading to death without charges is assinine.

She needs to explain this!

Anonymous 12/22/2009 5:38 AM
"To this day I grieve for him"...

How about grieving for the all neighborhood dogs Boody shredded?!?

PREVENT THE DEED... REGULATE THE BREED!

Trigger 12/22/2009 8:48 AM
"She needs to explain this!"

If you noticed, the TV station that reported the story is Missouri-based (St. Louis), not Illinois-based. KSDK is about 125 miles away from Koehler and across state lines! St. Louis as you know recently pimped out the many so called "rehabilitated" fighting dogs. Clearly Ledy had a pre-existing relationship with the TV station. According to the Missouri Ethics Commission, Ledy has been a registered lobbyist in Missouri for Best Friends (yes, she was a registered lobbyist for Best Friends while still employed by the ASPCA) since at least 2001.
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http://www.mec.mo.gov/EthicsWeb/
http://tinyurl.com/yap769g

By the way, none of Ledy's efforts seem to be stopping the many Missouri cities who are adopting pit bull laws.

http://www.dogsbite.org/legislating-dogs-missouri.htm

Anonymous 12/22/2009 11:40 AM
"Clearly Ledy had a pre-existing relationship with the TV station"

You hit it on the head.

This is the problem. Fake or unethical "reporters" simply propagandizing on behalf of their personal friends or contacts.

Even their business associates.

The same thing also happens with Nathan Winograd, getting promoted by dog breeder lobbyists pretending to be "journalists"

Missouri is also one of the key dogfighting states in this country (puppy mills too, and many affiliated with AKC, including the biggest puppy mill broker in the country, Hunte Corp. Dog fighters and puppy millers, and "responsible" breeders all lobby together for the same things) so there is a flow of dog breeder lobbying money from Missouri that certainly is falling into the hands of front groups and front lobbyists willing to do their dirty work for them.

Especially those who can get dog breeder lobbying into the press with a veneer of "humane" interest to cover the financial interests.

Anonymous 12/22/2009 4:05 PM
Trigger, I thought I read somewhere that Ledy VanKavage's husband (different last name) works in journalism?

Does anyone know?

Anonymous 12/22/2009 4:12 PM
Ledy VanKavage whose full name is Elise Ledy Ann VanKavage

got her JD at St Louis University

http://www.martindale.com/Elise-Ann-VanKavage/946161-lawyer.htm

Anonymous 12/22/2009 4:24 PM
VanKavage clearly considers herself a Missouri lawyer

http://members.mobar.org/pdfs/precedent/feb09/transitions.pdf

"legislative legal analyst" for Best Friends

What does THAT mean?

Best Friends can't even get laws passed in their own state to make animal cruelty a felony or to punish people for it

Their "legislative" activity is practically null

So how much does Best Friends pay her? And what does she do exactly other than lobby for pit bull breeders?

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/20/2010 8:21 AM  |  Flag  
And the last set:

Anonymous 12/22/2009 4:35 PM
VanKavage's husband is Cliff Froehlich

He was indeed a journalist through January 2006

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cliff-froehlich/5/1a3/36

Arts and Entertainment Editor at St. Louis Post-Dispatch
Executive Editor at Riverfront Times

Ledy's husband is getting her into the press and promoting her.

More journalistic lack of integrity.

Anonymous 12/22/2009 4:41 PM
However Cliff Froehlich, Ledy's husband, is still clearly working in the journalism trade

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/entertainment/reviews.nsf/book/story/67DB872ACECCF25F862574F300775E88?OpenDocument

Anonymous 12/22/2009 4:43 PM
Bob Koehler should file a formal complaint about Ledy VanKavage's appearance in the article about him

Ledy is being allowed to propagandize and distort the issue with falsehoods, and enable deaths like his mother's, thanks to her husband's connections to the media

Anonymous 12/22/2009 5:30 PM
Ledy VanKavage was directly involved in smearing and trying to destroy Tom Skeldon and get him fired, and trying to hurt him for protecting public safety and following Ohio law, and Ledy was also agitating for taxpayer dollars to be used for "DNA testing" to promote and protect pit bulls DESPITE Ohio's legal definition of pit bulls as DANGEROUS.

Ledy wants the taxpayer to pay for DNA testing every dog!

Something the taxpayer has absolutely no obligation nor even right to do

Just to protect pit bull breeders and dog fighters, and help spread the breeding and ownership of pit bulls, and endanger the public!

http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20091106/NEWS16/911060345/0/SPORTS01

"Ms. VanKavage was in Toledo at the invitation of Jean Keating and her organization, the Ohio Coalition of Dog Advocates, which has been agitating for the firing of Lucas County Dog Warden Tom Skeldon"

"Lucas County Commissioner Ben Konop, who has been pushing for change in the dog warden's operation, asked if there were DNA grants Lucas County might apply for. She said she thought funding was available."

Anonymous 12/26/2009 4:43 AM
1st documented kill at age 6!

Ever notice how Best Friends doesn't expend any of it's $20 Million in assets on busting dog fighters?!?

Trigger 2/25/2010 12:58 PM
The City of Flora is a home rule community and they do NOT have to abide by the Illinois law that prohibits BSL. Go for it Flora!

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