Elijah was determined to be "vicious and dangerous" after the dangerous dog hearing.
Statement of Decision
San Francisco, CA - On November 25, 2024, a Vicious and Dangerous Dog Hearing was held to determine if "Elijah," a male, neutered pit bull met the definition of "vicious and dangerous" set forth in the San Francisco Health Code. DogsBite.org obtained the audio recording of the hearing and the surveillance video of the attack. After combining them, we embedded open caption subtitles. We also inserted red "Alert" notifications to highlight the "exhausted cliches" exhibited by vicious dog owners.
The involved parties include Thomas Newbury, the owner of the victim dog, "Ying Yang;" Elizabeth Jimenez, the dog owner's roommate, who was walking Elijah when he attacked Ying Yang; and Ciara Davis, the owner of Elijah, who did not witness the attack. The attack occurred on Friday, July 5 on Anza Street near George Washington High School. Newbury submitted a complaint to the SFPD Vicious and Dangerous Dog Unit on July 10. This hearing did not occur until nearly 5 months later.
Statement of Decision Description
"On July 10, 2024, Thomas Newbury submitted a complaint to SFPD VDDU regarding a dog bite that allegedly occurred on July 5, 2024. Newbury stated that on the date of the incident he was doing work in his garage while his dog, later identified as Ying Yang, was tied up in the garage as depicted in the video footage he submitted. (Ex. 5.) The attacking dog, later identified as Elijah, pulled the dog walker into Newbury’s garage. Elijah then bit Newbury’s dog’s face, locked on, and would not let go. Newbury ran outside and attempted to get Elijah to release by kicking and punching the dog.
Newbury alleged that the person walking Elijah did not try to pull Elijah off Newbury’s dog and just repeatedly said “I’m sorry.” When Elijah let go, Newbury wanted to call the police and obtain the dog walker’s information, but the dog walker insisted on going home. The dog walker left the scene stating she would return after returning Elijah back home. However, she did not return, and Newbury then took his dog to the hospital." - Statement of Decision - Complaint
The attack video is played at 7:00 minutes followed by Newbury's testimony, which calls out many exhausted cliches recycled by owners of vicious dogs after an attack. The video is harrowing. Newbury screams multiple times at the pit bull, "Let go!" The person walking the pit bull, Jimenez, who was not the owner, does little, except to repeat, "I'm sorry." Newbury testifies, the person "had no control" over the dog, and "no ability or strength to restrain" it, which is routine during pit bull attacks.
Not only do many owners of pit bulls deny the genetics of the breed -- the "bite, hold, and shake" attack style -- but when an attack does occur, they typically have no capacity or tool to get their dog to release. Newbury's dog, and every other non-gripper breed, are consistently at the mercy of pit bull owners who have "no ability or strength to restrain" the dog or force it to release, if it chooses to attack. The result is this video, which likely occurs over 10,000 times per year in the United States.1
"The pit bull Elijah had completely latched onto my dog's jaw," Newbury states. "My dog was helpless, like just struggling to survive."
Newbury testifies that he "repeatedly started hammering the dog" with his fist and "trying to kick it in the jaw to unlatch." As he was doing so, he was also in fear for his own life, asking himself, "What's next?" Was the pit bull going to maul him? "While it's being walked with a harness by a petite individual that was completely outmuscled ... completely incapable of controlling this dog?" he asked. But even for men, successfully "manhandling" a vicious pit bull with only a harness and leash is still difficult.
After the pit bull releases, Jimenez exhibits more exhausted cliches by owners of vicious dogs by refusing to supply her information to Newbury and by promising, she'll "come back" after she returns the dog to its owner. She does neither. "Obviously, they did not come back," Newbury states. After waiting for 10 minutes -- while his dog was "seriously bleeding out in the garage" --- he rushed Ying Yang to a vet on Fillmore Street where he received multiple staples in his chin. The vet bill was $680.
Six hours after the ordeal, Newbury is back home with his dog. He decides to take a spin around the block to see if he can learn more. "Unbelievably," he states, he sees "the same person who was walking the dog, now the owner" stepping outside of their apartment with the dog, which is wearing "the same exact harness, same exact leash, as if nothing had happened to them that day." Newbury just identified another exhausted cliche trait of vicious dog owners after an attack -- nonchalance.
Newbury jumps out of his truck and confronts them. Yet, he is met with another exhausted cliche response by vicious dog owners. Elijah's owner, Davis, who did not witness the attack, blames Newbury's dog. "It was your dog's fault, and your dog that attacked my dog," she said. The victim blaming occurs before Davis is aware that Newbury has footage of the attack. Now, after identifying multiple "exhausted cliche" traits of owners of vicious dogs, Newbury sees the larger picture.
"Then and there, I knew exactly who these people were and what was going on," Newbury states. "I just said, 'You have zero morals, zero anything.'"
After Newbury tells them, "Pit bulls, in my opinion, shouldn't be legal," he's hit with another exhausted cliche hurled by the owner of a vicious pit bull. She states, "That's a stigmatism. Pit bulls aren't bad." Newbury replies, "Well, if the pit bull, if that's a stigmatism, they say, then it's not bad dog, it's bad dog owners. Then you my friend are a horrible dog owner because your dog just mauled my dog." Then he bluntly asks, "So, which one is it? Are pit bulls bad or are you a bad dog owner? Unbelievable!"
Newbury next identifies another exhausted cliche exhibited by vicious dog owners. A few weeks later, he states, "another person is walking the dog -- again, not the owner, and it's not the same one who was walking the dog before." So, everyone walks this dog except for the actual owner, he said. Keen observation -- it's like isolating bites. If 3 dog walkers each have an incident and each walk different routes, it's more difficult for victims to identify the owner and to calculate cumulative bites.
If Newbury had not gotten into his truck and circled the neighborhood that day, it may have taken him weeks, if ever, to identify the dog's owner. (There can't be a legal hearing with an unidentified dog owner either.) It's exceptionally suspicious when multiple non-owners of a biting dog are seen walking the biting dog, but the owner is not. Recall what the dog walker told Newbury: "I'm not the owner of the dog. I didn't come back because I thought the owner of the dog should deal with it."
How convenient. It's the old adage, "Every dog has an identifiable owner -- until it bites someone." Then the owner becomes a game of musical chairs.
When confronted after the attack, Davis told Newbury she would be "more than willing to pay" the vet bill. By the time of the hearing, 4.5 months later, she had not. As Newbury states, "It just goes to show. No accountability. No responsibility. Tried to say it was my dog's fault. It's like, where does this end?" In a nutshell, it doesn't. Elijah will likely be seen in a future hearing after attacking another dog because one of the dog's "multiple walkers" failed to muzzle him. Again, it won't be the owner's fault.
Davis testifies next. She did not witness the attack and can only offer background. Elijah is about 7.5 years old, weighs 65 pounds and is neutered. The dog has been neutered, "since we adopted him," she said. She acquired the dog at the end of her freshman year in high school. Davis testifies that she and Jimenez did walk back to Newbury's home that day, rang his doorbell, but were unable to contact him. Davis did not leave a note. "My dog has never been in any type of fight, at all," Davis states.
Hearing Officer Janelle Caywood has an excellent response. "Generally, what this incident tells me. Often times people come in here and say it's an isolated incident, it's out of character for my dog. The reality is, all that says is that your dog is unpredictable. I'm very concerned. This was a prolonged attack." When Caywood asks what steps Davis put in place to prevent a future attack, her response is negligible. She alleges she would walk Elijah with "multiple people" and that she "ordered" a muzzle.
When Caywood asks, "When?" Davis replies, "The other day." So, for 4.5 months, dog-aggressive Elijah was being walked without a muzzle.
Jimenez, the dog walker, is last to testify. She claims that Ying Yang, who was tethered at the time, initiated the attack by running toward Elijah. "It was my visual understanding that [Ying Yang] was latched onto the top of Eli's face." And, "I had no idea how to separate that other dog clinging onto Eli's mouth." Caywood, however, disagrees with her assessment. "I've watched the video ... It's clear to me that Elijah was the initial aggressor and that any response of biting was done in self-defense."
Statement of Decision Findings
"Jimenez’s testimony differed from Newbury’s testimony regarding the July 5, 2024, incident. After reviewing the evidence and observing the demeanor of both people at the hearing, the undersigned determined that Newbury was the more credible witness because his account was corroborated by the video footage he presented as evidence which Jiminez had not observed at the time Jiminez submitted a written statement. In the written statement, Jimenez’s erroneously stated that Newbury’s dog, Ying Yang, was off-leash and the initial aggressor, neither of which were true. To that end, the undersigned makes the below factual finding in #1.
1. On July 5, 2024, Elizabeth Jimenez walked Ciara Davis’s leashed Pit Bull dog, Elijah, past Thomas Newbury’s residence on Anza Street. As Jimenez and Elijah walked past Newbury’s garage, Elijah lunged and dragged Jimenez toward the garage where Ying Yang, Newbury’s Australian Shepherd/Poodle mix dog was tied up. Elijah bit Ying Yang in the face in a prolonged attack leaving puncture wounds and requiring emergency medical treatment.
2. The dog, Elijah’s attack on Ying Yang, was unprovoked...
Based on the testimony at the hearing, the documents presented, and the above Findings, evidence presented is sufficient to prove, by a preponderance of evidence, that Elijah qualifies as vicious and dangerous under subdivision 1, of Section 42 because the attack (bites) to Ying Yang on July 5, 2024, was unprovoked. Notably, the footage that Newbury presented (Ex. 5) shows that this was a prolonged attack that only ended after Newbury struck the dog, Elijah, numerous times to save his own dog." - Statement of Decision - Findings
Summary & Discussion
During closing comments, Newbury has a chance to speak again. He rejects Davis' testimony that the pair returned to his house that day. He also states, "If there was no video, I would have no idea who these people were, where they went, if I didn't run into them later that day. It would have literally been my word against theirs. And the fact that just that day, they went back out like nothing had happened." It wasn't in their thought process to "buy a muzzle today." They still don't even have one, he said.
Interestingly, the dog walker/roommate, Jimenez, is as bad or worse than the actual dog owner in terms of exhibiting the "exhausted cliches" of owners of vicious dogs, as well as by making erroneous assessments in her written statement and hearing testimony. Officer Caywood writes in the Statement of Decision that when Jimenez submitted her written statement, alleging that "Ying Yang was off leash and the initial aggressor, neither of which were true," she had not observed the video evidence.
Davis, who testified that "nothing like this has ever happened before," lacks credibility since she's apparently never the person walking her own dog. Her solution to prevent a future attack is to walk her dog "with multiple people." How would she organize "team walking" events, since she's already unable to organize time to walk the dog herself? Davis admitted that she only ordered the muzzle from Amazon "the other day," nearly 5 months after the attack. As Newbury would say, "Unbelievable!"
Thankfully, Newbury's wife and his one-in-a-half year old daughter were out of town that weekend. "My daughter rides her bike right there on that sidewalk," where the attack occurred. "That easily could have been my daughter," he said. The stresses of "what if" scenarios, compounded by the pair's nonchalance, denial of accountability and blame shifting, increased the trauma Newbury sustained. The repeated -- and unnecessary -- exhausted cliche responses by the two exacerbated his suffering.
Sudden, explosive pit bull violence is traumatic enough. The video clearly shows this. Newbury's words expressed during the hearing illustrate the even more long-lasting effects. "I was just completely mind blown," he states, when he saw the pair out with the dog hours after the attack. "How are you guys outside with this dog right now with the same exact restraints, the same exact leash, and the same exact harness going for a stroll, down the same exact street, like nothing happened?"
Exhausted Cliches Exhibited by Vicious Dog Owners
- Owner of vicious pit bull denies the breed's genetic traits
- Owner of vicious dog fails to have any capacity or tool to stop the attack
- Owner of vicious dog refuses to give the victim contact information
- Owner of vicious dog promises to "come back," never does
- Owner of vicious dog acts like nothing happened -- total nonchalance
- Owner of vicious dog takes no action to protect against a future attack
- Owner of vicious dog blames the victim dog for starting the attack
- Owner of vicious pit bull cries "stigmatism" after damaging attack
- Everyone walks the vicious dog except for the actual owner
- Owner of vicious dog claims he/she will pay the vet bill, never does
Epilogue "Discrimination" and "Wheelbarrow"
At about 37:13, Officer Caywood addresses the issue of "breed discrimination." Apparently, this was in some of the letters attesting to the glowing temperament of Elijah. "We are not here because the city discriminates against a breed. We are here to protect the public, and we have a video of your dog attacking another dog. That's why we are here." When dog owner's make this claim during hearings, Caywood states, "What that tells me is that there's an inability to take accountability as a deflection."
Thus, it makes Caywood wonder if that person can be trusted with a potentially dangerous animal, to do the right thing and wear a muzzle. "If they're always blaming someone else instead of taking accountability, then I have concerns," she said. Several moments later, Caywood asks Captain Fenson of San Francisco Animal Care and Control if she has any recommendations for how to get a pit bull to release during a dog-on-dog attack, because "oftentimes, they lock and hold, as you know."
One of the methods she recommends that she characterizes as "pretty safe," is the "wheelbarrow" -- we disagree. The technique involves picking up the hind legs of a biting (and holding) pit bull. Thus, the victim dog owner is dependent on the pit bull owner undertaking this or a willing bystander. Worse, it may not stop the biting pit bull, as seen in the gruesome Berkeley, California dog-on-dog attack video. A male construction worker bystander performs the wheelbarrow and gets no results.
We recommend viewers watch dog trainer Robert Cabral's video, "Dog Fight Mistakes Breakdown" to see why this technique can be ineffective (it is outdated) and has more risks than what an "average" dog owner may assume. Cabral breaks down the Berkeley video and offers a more effective solution for a dog owner who is willing to accept some risks (6:15 to 28:30). Professionals like Cabral and Fenson can often quickly stop one of these attacks. But that doesn't help an "average" dog owner.
Chapters & Commentary Points
00:00: Introduction
07:00: Dog-on-dog attack video is played
07:55: Complainant testifies
11:49: Alert - Person walking attacking dog claims "I'll come back."
13:27: Alert - Vicious dog owner acts "as if nothing had happened that day"
14:24: Alert - Owner of vicious dog blames the victim dog's owner
15:00: Alert - Complainant contests the alleged "pit bull stigmatism"
15:44: Alert - Complainant: "Everyone walks the dog except for the actual owner?"
16:23: Alert - Vicious dog owner claims she will "pay the vet bill" but never does
19:28: Alert - Complainant states his dog is "scarred from pit bulls now"
20:08: Owner of vicious dog testifies, who was not present during attack
27:01: Dog walker of vicious dog testifies (the roommate of the dog owner)
28:35: Dog walker claims the victim dog latched onto to the pit bull's face
30:33: Alert - Hearing officer disagrees with dog walker's assessment
31:52: Closing commentary begins
32:27: Alert - Complainant reiterates the owner acted like "nothing had happened"
36:17: Alert - Vicious dog owner, again, claims she would pay his vet bill but did not!
37:14: Alert - Hearing officer addresses "issue of breed discrimination" in hearings
39:58: Alert - SFACC officer claims "wheelbarrow" method is "pretty safe"
43:18: Epilogue - DogsBite.org shows the ineffectiveness of the "wheelbarrow" technique
Newbury seen racing across his garage to save his dog Ying Yang from the jaws of a pit bull.
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If you ask me I think this whole thing is pointless. Elijah is still going to live and he not going to put down for a long long time.it doesn’t matter if he hurt a infant toddlers young people elderly the pitbull lobby and pitbull defender is more powerful and always win.alot of people is still going to died by these beast of a dog and nothing going to be done of.
Exactly. Why is this worthless POS still alive?
People need to know how to get a pit to release since the gruesome maulers are everywhere. Punching and kicking will do nothing.
Slitting its throat may have helped.
Anyone who walks a pitbull needs a garotte in their pocket or extra thin lead they know how to use to strangle the dog from behind. The only way to get a latched-on dog that does not obey “leave it” commands is to choke the dog out.
They need to learn this over and over until they can do it by rote in a panicked state.
Nobody with half a brain is going to use a break stick and get bitten before they get anywhere near using it except for complete nutters.
None of these tactics are useful for anybody who can’t lift 80lbs of thrashing dog clear off it’s feet for four minutes until it passes out.
With a 50%+ aggression rate towards other dogs and thus–any humans who are forced to break up a dog mauling, the permanent solution remains the same.
Pitbulls are fighting dogs. Dogfighting is illegal. Therefore, ownership of pitbulls should be illegal because their primary use as a breed is over.
There is no longer any legitimate reason these dogs should be owned by anybody
He’s still alive because he didn’t kill a person.
Besides, if the judge orders the dog to be euthanized, the pitbull people will be after him.
Imo it shouldn’t matter if its a person or a dog. It’s still someone’s family member.
I wish I could have seen the people as they testified. I wanted a clearer image of the people I was feeling scorn for. On a positive note, they sounded very young, so maybe there is more chance they will learn and change their ways… everyone makes mistakes, and facing legal action is a great prompt for examining one’s behavior and maybe changing one’s ways. I’m grateful that the SFPD has resources dedicated to dangerous dogs and their owners.
I’m looking forward to learning what the judgement will be. Somehow I doubt the dog will be put to sleep as it ought to be, or that the owner will be barred from owning or caring for dogs in the future.
The statement of decision (top link) has the judgment. The dog was declared “vicious and dangerous” in the city and county of San Francisco and must be muzzled when in public. If the dog attacks unprovoked again … and has a new hearing, that’s probably the end of the road for the dog. At that time, the hearing officer can also bar the owner from dog ownership for a certain amount of time.
Oh, thanks – I will look more closely at that. This is happening in a neighborhood I actually walk around in, so being able to recognize these people and the dog could be helpful… is video of these hearings available to the public? I don’t know how to find it.
Although San Francisco City Hall is set up for videorecording in its hearing rooms (the dog hearings take place in room 408 and are open to the public), the City does not videorecord the dog hearings.
There are always audio recordings of the hearings available upon request.
I should probably have noted that the hearings are almost certainly recorded as part of City Hall’s security system — there are multiple cameras in room 408 — but they are not recordings generally made available as “public records.”
I agree with the consensus, all this time and energy for a hearing, and effectively nothing was done. The mauler lives to maul again, the owner, as irresponsible as she’s shown herself to be will probably just move somewhere else and continue on being her lazy, careless self. I just pray it’s not a child next time.
I’m willing to bet that the Animal Rescue Industrial Complex is behind this epic fail of a system.
It’s like the Homeless Industrial Complex. Billions of dollars spent on the problem, but the problem keeps getting worse.
Yep.
I’m with you there. Billions of dollars that could have built housing–lining pockets instead of building housing.
The way out of the pitbull problem is simple. Owning a pitbull should be illegal. It’s more pocket-lining for a problem that’s easily solved and *has been* in many countries.
In many of the world’s countries–owning a pitbull is illegal because dogfighting is illegal. Importing them is illegal, breeding them is illegal, fighting them is illegal and just owning them is illegal.
The solution to the pit bull problem lies in discouraging people from adopting and breeding these dogs. Many well-meaning individuals adopt pit bulls without understanding the risks. They often don’t know that pit bull owners and their families are the most frequent victims of attacks by these dogs. (See “Pit Bulls: Facts & Figures,” https://www.dogbitelaw.com/vicious-dogs/pit-bulls-facts-and-figures/.)
To help adopters choose safer dogs, every state should enact a Truth in Pet Adoption Law. This law ensures transparency about a dog’s history, helping adopters make informed decisions. I used it to secure millions of dollars in compensation for my client after she was attacked by a pit bull rehomed by the City of Los Angeles. (See “Truth in Pet Adoption Law Compels Disclosure of Dog Bites,” https://www.dogbitelaw.com/truth-in-pet-adoption-law-compels-disclosure-of-dog-bites/.)
If you support rehoming safe, friendly dogs and ensuring dangerous ones aren’t placed with unsuspecting families, please urge your local and state lawmakers to adopt the Model Truth in Pet Adoption Law detailed in my article. Together, we can protect both adopters and dogs.
Important public service announcement, Kenneth. Thanks for providing this information.
Kenneth, thank you for your tireless and courageous work. As a retired member of the press, we spoke several years ago. Your point about educating the public of the dangers of owning pit bulls is paramount for public safety. Educating the public is the primary purpose of the press. And, yet, while local news will cover some attacks, national media rarely will. (Even the death of the two Bennard children did not make network news.) The behemoth pet industry buys tons of airtime. As always-follow the money. The vast majority of people I speak to about pit bulls still cling to the tired excuses we hear all the time. And, as you said: well meaning individuals adopt pit bulls without understanding the risks. No national news outlet (e.g. 60 Minutes) will cover this public safety crisis. Meanwhile, the bodies pile up. Innocent beautiful children dead or mauled beyond belief. Please keep up the good fight!
Kenneth, I truly appreciate your hard work on this but I have to disagree here.
We have BSL up here. The pitbull crowd ignore it. They’ll ignore any measures put in place. It’s a waste of time, money and effort. No Animal Control or governmental body is big enough to chase down all the breaches. Pitbulls must be muzzled here. ALL of them. ALL the time.
I’ve yet to see a muzzle including the one next apartment building over that’s under a dangerous dog order. Add in that once a pitbull bites it is supposed to be immediately euthanized and that’s not happening, either. Presently, the population of pitbulls is exploding.
Going for half-measures means time, money, human resources that will, in the end, fail–because the people you are trying to convince to be more responsible will never comply. There’s no convincing them because for whatever reason no logic or legal measures, convinces them.
It’s like people caught up in a cult–they can’t see reality until they are removed into another environment and can look back on how they got into that mess. Most will not leave of their own accord until something life-destroying, happens.
The problem with the pitbull situation is that it’s not just the cult paying the price for it–it’s everyone else (and their dogs) paying it.
The details of this attack are very familiar. Most pit attack survivors can say the same.
YQN is correct, this system-wide failure is organized, and the safety of the peaceful public is not considered.
Excellent wrap-up of this case, Colleen — and insightful review of how it exemplifies a lot of the recurring themes in dog attacks.
Besides the stupid dog getting to remain alive, the other injustice is how one can lie under oath and not get slapped with perjury. The testimony of the “handler” that the victim dog was unleashed and the aggressor is clearly an outright lie, as evidenced by the video. There’s no way that can just be a different “interpretation” of what was witnessed. It’s an outright lie.
At what point are cities going be responsible? Five months before a trial and a video showing clearly the mutant is dangerous and the dog walker totally unable to control it. The owner has shown she is not concerned about her monster and should not own it.
“Exhausted cliches” and exhausted concerned people.
But thanks again for tirelessly educating the public. I have recently checked into some Facebook Pit groups and must say their sadness over so many pits in shelters leads me to believe that the message is getting out.
Same thing’s happening here in Tucson on Dogdoor, oops, I mean Nextdog, no, it’s Nextdoor.
The mewling about pits about to be put down at Pima Animal Care is nonstop.
And why not? Don’t you want to be that special angel who will rescue Maulie from death row?
I got into an argument with an ex pitbull owner. Her bitch was a wonderful pitbull but was euthanized for biting a policeman. Her wonderful dog had delivered a litter of puppies. Apparently a bunch of the puppies had died of parvo bacteria. Did you not know that parvovirus in dogs was caused by bacteria? And this woman said she was a scientist!!! She then blocked any discussion. Although I have a DVM degree, things do change. Parvo was first identified in the world around 1978. Let’s do IQ testing on pitbull owners.
In a country where the president owns a rescue dog that attacked people working at the White House fourteen times and is still alive, what are the odds authorities are going to put humans’ right to be and feel safe above the sophistry of woke animal rights idealists? One of the signs a civilization is “going to the dogs”. Many are starting to realize the meaning of this adage that reflects historic experiences.
Newsflash: plenty of conservatives and trumpers value pets over people. Go look at a local shelter Facebook page and the comment profiles show a wide range of political stances, not just “woke”. If you followed presidents’ dogs, you’d know that presidential dogs from both parties inflicted bites over the decades. Well, excluding the spaniels. 😀
This forum is dedicated to people wishing to achieve freedom from deluded, inconsiderate people imposing dangers on others. When I used the term woke I did not say left wing or right wing. I fully realize deluded idealists come in many different flavours.
Owners of dangerous dogs hold beliefs that cause them to believe in things that are not true and deny things that are. Ideological enthusiasts. Not rational empiricists who are skeptical of beliefs and value evidence.
I do not know why you would assume I meant left wing when I said woke. I do not associate one with the other. I evaluate people by their epistemological behaviour. Do they identify with ideologies or empiricism? Would they accept or deny evidence that is an anomaly to their beliefs? Will they impose their beliefs and lifestyle on people who have valid reasons to resent those impositions?
Ying Yang’s owner being questioned about his dog being intact and being “tied up” are such bs diversion tactics. The POS pit would have attacked regardless and the home owner was keeping his dog confined (on a tether) as per city law. I got something for Elijah and any other dog that attacks on my property including any tool I can find.