Sunday, December 21, 2008
UPDATE 12/21/08: Predictably, the Oshkosh Kennel Club last week came out in opposition to the newly proposed city rules to regulate pit bull type dogs. What is unpredictable is that Steve Eichman, president of the club, has now admitted that the Canine Good Citizen (CGC) Program was not designed to test a dog's aggression. He said that the level of a dog's aggression could not be determined in the 15 to 20 minute class, which consists of about 15 short tests.
"We have someone walk around with a walker and we see how the dog handles loud noises. Will it heel and sit? Does it do simple commands?" Eichman said. "Completion doesn't necessarily mean that you don't have a vicious dog."Originally, the taking of the class was recommended by the Oshkosh Humane Society as a means to exempt pit bull owners from the newly proposed restrictions on pit bulls, which include: a $100 license, mandatory spay/neuter, muzzling when off-property and a special containment pen. The Oshkosh Kennel Club opposes such restrictions and also opposes the use of the CGC program to exempt pit bull owners from these types of laws (likely for liability purposes).
12/19/08: Oshkosh Weighs New Ordinance
Oshkosh, WI - Oshkosh is considering a new ordinance that would require owners of pit bulls and several other breeds to obtain a special license or to complete the AKC's Canine Good Citizen (CGC) Program. If the owner and his dog complete the program, the owner would be exempt from having to apply for the special license, which would require the dog to be fenced in a 5 x 10 enclosed pen when outdoors alone and to be muzzled when off property.
Rhonda Velie, operations manager for the Oshkosh Humane Society, said that fear over the breeds' aggressiveness continues to rise as pit bulls get a bad rap and are more likely to be portrayed in the media as aggressive. "All breeds of dogs bite people at some point," she said. "There is no breed that is immune to that. But you will never see on the 6 o'clock news, a Golden Labrador maul someone." Yet Velie, another pit bull apologist, leaves out a vital detail:
All breeds bite, but a pit bull's bite is more accurately described as "attempted dismemberment."In 2008, the U.S. public saw a variety of dog breeds that attacked and killed a person on the evening news including: a Doberman pinscher, Jack Russell Terrier, Old English sheepdog-mix, Labrador puppy, and a husky. Each of these attacks involved the dog killing an infant. So far in 2008, 23 U.S. citizens have been killed in a fatal dog attack. It is not biased reporting by the media (or a "conspiracy") that pit bulls alone are responsible for over 60% of these deaths.
11/11/08: 2 Deaths Spur Massive Baby Crib Recall
11/07/08: Kathy Jenks, Director of Animal Services, Stands Before City Council
04/20/08: Flashback: The Pit Bull Problem is Over 20 Years Old
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| 12/19/2008 12:07 PM |
I'm tired of hearing this damn statement that "All breeds of dogs bite people at some point. There is no breed that is immune to that. But you will never see on the 6 o'clock news, a Golden Labrador maul someone." The reason you do not hear it, is because it so seldom happens...but when it does happen, WE HEAR it!
And why can't these bleeding heart pit bull advocates not see the difference between a nip or a single bite and an attack that shreds the victim apart? I imagine they can see the difference, they just don't care.
| 12/19/2008 2:22 PM |
What good could a rule like this do?
If you see a pit bull in the street how can you know it has passed the test? And how can you know if it is the owner who passed the test that is handling the dog?
You will still have to assume the worst.
| 12/19/2008 2:55 PM |
Omaha has done the same thing (with the test). It will just take one "Good Canine" test passer that "suddenly" mauls a child to throw the test into the trash can. Recall Tori Whitehurst? The dog was tested by three behaviorists and I think slept in the same room with Tori. Well you know the story, the dog suddenly attacked and killed her...
| 12/19/2008 5:12 PM |
One of the common comments to a pit bull attack is for pit bull owners to list the MEDIA PUBLISHED ATTACKS OF OTHER BREEDS to show its not just pit bulls. They especially like to find out what breed you have and dig up as many attacks by that breed as possible. So clearly, these other attacks make the news and the papers. Only problem is, they are few and far between compared to pit bull attacks - its the volume and amount of damage that seems to continually blow over their heads.
| 12/19/2008 6:33 PM |
The AKC Canine Good Citizen test is NOT difficult. The handler is allowed a whole lot of "handling" and "encouragement". This test was never meant to be a guarantee of lifelong good behavior. All it says is that the dog had a good 3 or 4 minutes, once. This simple test should not be used as criteria for opting out of public safety regulations.
| 12/19/2008 9:09 PM |
Well, it was a matter of time, but the petition to "Stop BSL in Oshkosh" has started.
On the page, they put an innocent child on the floor with two of these dogs to show how "sweet" they are. Actions like this are absolutely disgusting...they are simply playing Russian Roulette with innocent child's life.
There are currently 318 signatures (with a goal of 1000 listed)...I guarantee you that only a handful of that 318 are from citizens of Oshkosh.
How can we help get this passed when we do not live in the city? I guess simply writing the city counsel and mayor could help...maybe...I don't know.
| 12/20/2008 12:31 AM |
Write to the Mayor and City Council and tell them the petition is fraudulent. There is no way to prove persons are constituents of Oshkosh.
Here's a rottweiler forum board telling ANYONE who will listen to sign the petition:
Here's a Craigslist post in Milwaukee (80 miles from Oshkosh) telling folks to sign it:
Here's another on Dogster. None tell signers that they need to be a resident of Oshkosh:
| 12/20/2008 2:58 AM |
I don't know what is scarier...
An A/C rep that doesn't know the bully breeds are more likely to be involved in a Level 5/6 mauling episode, or one that knows it and actively lies about it.
These people need to start being held accountable.
| 12/20/2008 5:56 AM |
It is important to start categorizing bites properly. The Nutters love to equate a Level II chihuahua mosquito bite with a full on Level 5 mauling by one of their criminally bred wigglebutts. It would be like the alcohol lobby trying to equate a fender bender in a parking lot to a full on DUI vehicular homicide:
Level 1- Dog growls, lunges, snarls-no teeth touch skin. Mostly intimidation behavior.
Level 2- Teeth touch skin but no puncture. May have red mark/minor bruise from dog’s head or snout, may have minor scratches from paws/nails. Minor surface abrasions acceptable.
Level 3- Punctures ½ the length of a canine tooth, one to four holes, single bite. No tearing or slashes. Victim not shaken side to side. Bruising.
Level 4- One to four holes from a single bite, one hole deeper than ½ the length of a canine tooth, typically contact/punctures from more than canines only. Black bruising, tears and/or slashing wounds. Dog clamped down and shook or slashed victim.
Level 5- Multiple bites at Level 4 or above. A concerted, repeated attack.
Level 6- Any bite resulting in death of a human.
| 12/20/2008 7:01 AM |
The proliferation of fighting dogs has made it so that ethereal rescue angels cannot longer be trusted to work in Animal Control. It has become an ever increasingly public safety field due to the level 5/6 maulings from the bully dog community.
I'm wondering how these city councils can sit there and listen to this garbage and not fire the A/C rep on the spot?!
They'll have to be sued.
| 12/20/2008 9:26 AM |
This AC rep is a moron....she calls a dog a "golden lab". There is no such dog as a "golden lab". It is called a yellow lab. Its the most common and popular dog in the friggin country, and she doesn't know what its called?
Yes, I am sure she has a lot of experience with dogs, if she doesn't understand the difference between a Golden Retreiver, and a Yellow Lab. I am so sick of these illiterate AC reps claiming to be animal experts, when so many of them have absolutely NO qualifications. I know someone who was offered the AC post in my town, who had NO experience or training with animals. AC is a joke in most towns.
| 12/20/2008 6:28 PM |
One of things I find most alarming is animal shelters miss labeling pits as a boxer mix or other mix breed http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=12451573 http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=8498415 http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=10002310
| 12/21/2008 9:13 AM |
I personally feel that the LA SPCA clique, and above all Jean Donaldson, should hang their heads in shame.
In her newest book ('Oh, Behave!'), Jean Donaldson proudly profiles her smug ignorance in a chapter on how she clicker trained a pit bull to play 'nicely' with other dogs.
This pit bull has been re-homed, based only on this short episode of operant conditioning in a controlled environment. Donaldson won't be around to see when spontaneous recovery of previously strongly reinforced behavior occurs (as every behavioral scientists knows it inevitably will), nor what the consequences will be for the attacked dog.
Donaldson has long been on my list of distortionists, but the fact that she still can't abandon an old, wrong position shoves her toward the top of my list.
| 12/21/2008 9:19 AM |
Another thing that peeves me is how 'scientists' suddenly expose their biases in this discussion. Usually very careful to compare only controlled and sharply defined variables, they call killing and maiming attacks a 'bite' and then compare this with, indeed, a scratch on the skin from a chihuahua.
They participate in saying 'dog bites don't decrease where breed specific laws are instituted,' ignoring the fact that everywhere BSLs have been instituted, maimings and killings decrease dramatically.
If anyone is interested in more truly scientific statistics, take a look at this:
| 12/21/2008 8:11 PM |
They base their reasoning on the tempermetn test results - so we know what kind of people we are dealing with here.
I suggest writing the town, and also emailing this outfit with some facts. Maybe it will make them think.
| 12/22/2008 12:36 PM |
I would also like to add that many pit bull activist groups, in pushing pit bull adoptions, are trying to have a lot of their younger dogs intensively trained so that they can pass the CGC. This, allegedly, is to serve as "proof" that the entire pit bull population is just misunderstood. As above posters have noted, the CGC does not prove that a dog is not aggressive.
Its also noticible that a lot of the pit bulls who achieve their CGCs are younger dogs, who may not have matured enough to develop the typical bull breed aggression toward other dogs. Just because an 15 month old pit bull can have one friendly greeting with another dog for 5 seconds in this test, does NOT prove that the same pit will not develop dangerous levels of dog aggression by the age of 2 or 3.
| 12/22/2008 3:25 PM |
I'm having a hard time understanding how these crimes are being committed.
Strange persons are allegedly 'taking dogs from their yards', sometimes 'strangers' are leaving gates open, and injuring peoples' roaming dogs in such a way to simulate self-defense.