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Blogger Russ  |  12/19/2008 12:07 PM  |  Flag  
I'm tired of hearing this damn statement that "All breeds of dogs bite people at some point. There is no breed that is immune to that. But you will never see on the 6 o'clock news, a Golden Labrador maul someone." The reason you do not hear it, is because it so seldom happens...but when it does happen, WE HEAR it!

And why can't these bleeding heart pit bull advocates not see the difference between a nip or a single bite and an attack that shreds the victim apart? I imagine they can see the difference, they just don't care.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/19/2008 1:45 PM  |  Flag  
Bulls eye! They just DO NOT CARE. This is the truth. Sink your teeth into this, because nothing else is more important than realizing this.

Anonymous mrs.Poodle  |  12/19/2008 2:22 PM  |  Flag  
What good could a rule like this do?
If you see a pit bull in the street how can you know it has passed the test? And how can you know if it is the owner who passed the test that is handling the dog?
You will still have to assume the worst.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/19/2008 2:55 PM  |  Flag  
Omaha has done the same thing (with the test). It will just take one "Good Canine" test passer that "suddenly" mauls a child to throw the test into the trash can. Recall Tori Whitehurst? The dog was tested by three behaviorists and I think slept in the same room with Tori. Well you know the story, the dog suddenly attacked and killed her...

Anonymous Jersey  |  12/19/2008 5:12 PM  |  Flag  
One of the common comments to a pit bull attack is for pit bull owners to list the MEDIA PUBLISHED ATTACKS OF OTHER BREEDS to show its not just pit bulls. They especially like to find out what breed you have and dig up as many attacks by that breed as possible. So clearly, these other attacks make the news and the papers. Only problem is, they are few and far between compared to pit bull attacks - its the volume and amount of damage that seems to continually blow over their heads.

Anonymous bluesmom  |  12/19/2008 6:33 PM  |  Flag  
The AKC Canine Good Citizen test is NOT difficult. The handler is allowed a whole lot of "handling" and "encouragement". This test was never meant to be a guarantee of lifelong good behavior. All it says is that the dog had a good 3 or 4 minutes, once. This simple test should not be used as criteria for opting out of public safety regulations.

Blogger Russ  |  12/19/2008 9:09 PM  |  Flag  
Well, it was a matter of time, but the petition to "Stop BSL in Oshkosh" has started.

On the page, they put an innocent child on the floor with two of these dogs to show how "sweet" they are. Actions like this are absolutely disgusting...they are simply playing Russian Roulette with innocent child's life.

There are currently 318 signatures (with a goal of 1000 listed)...I guarantee you that only a handful of that 318 are from citizens of Oshkosh.

How can we help get this passed when we do not live in the city? I guess simply writing the city counsel and mayor could help...maybe...I don't know.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/20/2008 12:31 AM  |  Flag  
Write to the Mayor and City Council and tell them the petition is fraudulent. There is no way to prove persons are constituents of Oshkosh.

Here's a rottweiler forum board telling ANYONE who will listen to sign the petition:

Here's a Craigslist post in Milwaukee (80 miles from Oshkosh) telling folks to sign it:

Here's another on Dogster. None tell signers that they need to be a resident of Oshkosh:

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/20/2008 2:58 AM  |  Flag  
I don't know what is scarier...

An A/C rep that doesn't know the bully breeds are more likely to be involved in a Level 5/6 mauling episode, or one that knows it and actively lies about it.

These people need to start being held accountable.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/20/2008 5:56 AM  |  Flag  
It is important to start categorizing bites properly. The Nutters love to equate a Level II chihuahua mosquito bite with a full on Level 5 mauling by one of their criminally bred wigglebutts. It would be like the alcohol lobby trying to equate a fender bender in a parking lot to a full on DUI vehicular homicide:

Level 1- Dog growls, lunges, snarls-no teeth touch skin. Mostly intimidation behavior.

Level 2- Teeth touch skin but no puncture. May have red mark/minor bruise from dog’s head or snout, may have minor scratches from paws/nails. Minor surface abrasions acceptable.

Level 3- Punctures ½ the length of a canine tooth, one to four holes, single bite. No tearing or slashes. Victim not shaken side to side. Bruising.

Level 4- One to four holes from a single bite, one hole deeper than ½ the length of a canine tooth, typically contact/punctures from more than canines only. Black bruising, tears and/or slashing wounds. Dog clamped down and shook or slashed victim.

Level 5- Multiple bites at Level 4 or above. A concerted, repeated attack.

Level 6- Any bite resulting in death of a human.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/20/2008 7:01 AM  |  Flag  
The proliferation of fighting dogs has made it so that ethereal rescue angels cannot longer be trusted to work in Animal Control. It has become an ever increasingly public safety field due to the level 5/6 maulings from the bully dog community.

I'm wondering how these city councils can sit there and listen to this garbage and not fire the A/C rep on the spot?!

They'll have to be sued.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/20/2008 9:26 AM  |  Flag  
This AC rep is a moron....she calls a dog a "golden lab". There is no such dog as a "golden lab". It is called a yellow lab. Its the most common and popular dog in the friggin country, and she doesn't know what its called?

Yes, I am sure she has a lot of experience with dogs, if she doesn't understand the difference between a Golden Retreiver, and a Yellow Lab. I am so sick of these illiterate AC reps claiming to be animal experts, when so many of them have absolutely NO qualifications. I know someone who was offered the AC post in my town, who had NO experience or training with animals. AC is a joke in most towns.

Blogger Robin  |  12/20/2008 6:28 PM  |  Flag  
One of things I find most alarming is animal shelters miss labeling pits as a boxer mix or other mix breed

Anonymous SUKI  |  12/20/2008 7:50 PM  |  Flag  
Boxers huh? They look like pits to me but what would expect from pathological liars?
Liars to the end.

Blogger Sascha  |  12/21/2008 9:13 AM  |  Flag  
I personally feel that the LA SPCA clique, and above all Jean Donaldson, should hang their heads in shame.

In her newest book ('Oh, Behave!'), Jean Donaldson proudly profiles her smug ignorance in a chapter on how she clicker trained a pit bull to play 'nicely' with other dogs.

This pit bull has been re-homed, based only on this short episode of operant conditioning in a controlled environment. Donaldson won't be around to see when spontaneous recovery of previously strongly reinforced behavior occurs (as every behavioral scientists knows it inevitably will), nor what the consequences will be for the attacked dog.

Donaldson has long been on my list of distortionists, but the fact that she still can't abandon an old, wrong position shoves her toward the top of my list.

Blogger Sascha  |  12/21/2008 9:19 AM  |  Flag  
Another thing that peeves me is how 'scientists' suddenly expose their biases in this discussion. Usually very careful to compare only controlled and sharply defined variables, they call killing and maiming attacks a 'bite' and then compare this with, indeed, a scratch on the skin from a chihuahua.

They participate in saying 'dog bites don't decrease where breed specific laws are instituted,' ignoring the fact that everywhere BSLs have been instituted, maimings and killings decrease dramatically.

If anyone is interested in more truly scientific statistics, take a look at this:


Blogger Tanna  |  12/21/2008 2:55 PM  |  Flag

Someone else agrees with you that the chuckabuck civility test stinks.

Anonymous Jersey  |  12/21/2008 8:11 PM  |  Flag

They base their reasoning on the tempermetn test results - so we know what kind of people we are dealing with here.

I suggest writing the town, and also emailing this outfit with some facts. Maybe it will make them think.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2008 12:36 PM  |  Flag  
I would also like to add that many pit bull activist groups, in pushing pit bull adoptions, are trying to have a lot of their younger dogs intensively trained so that they can pass the CGC. This, allegedly, is to serve as "proof" that the entire pit bull population is just misunderstood. As above posters have noted, the CGC does not prove that a dog is not aggressive.

Its also noticible that a lot of the pit bulls who achieve their CGCs are younger dogs, who may not have matured enough to develop the typical bull breed aggression toward other dogs. Just because an 15 month old pit bull can have one friendly greeting with another dog for 5 seconds in this test, does NOT prove that the same pit will not develop dangerous levels of dog aggression by the age of 2 or 3.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/22/2008 3:25 PM  |  Flag

I'm having a hard time understanding how these crimes are being committed.
Strange persons are allegedly 'taking dogs from their yards', sometimes 'strangers' are leaving gates open, and injuring peoples' roaming dogs in such a way to simulate self-defense.

Anonymous bluesmom  |  12/22/2008 3:26 PM  |  Flag  
The CGC is so easy it should not require "intensive training". It's just common manners. Any dog that requires this level of training to pass the CGC has other issues.

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