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Anonymous Anonymous  |  4/30/2009 6:52 PM  |  Flag  
Does anyone knows who operates Out of the Pits?

What are the financials on this group? Are they registered as a charity?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  4/30/2009 10:59 PM  |  Flag  
The 'Out of the Pits' rescue group, the people who are responsible for perpetuating the pit bull lie and placing this Canine IED in a home should cover every bit of this - every last penny. If not for their disregard for public safety, if not for their desire to be part of the gross deception, if not for their selfish and childish attention seeking narcissism, this detonation on a child would not have happened!

Pay up ‘Out of the Pits Rescue!’ You created this. You’re responsible. Do the right thing and dig deep – by any means necessary. Don’t leave it to the rest of us to handle the fall out of your despicable deeds.

Anonymous Dude I Bagged Ur Pit  |  4/30/2009 11:29 PM  |  Flag "We seek to educate the public about the true nature of the Pit Bull and to restore the breed to its former position of esteem in the hearts and minds of people everywhere."

Bwwaaaaaaaaahahahahaha! Idiots!

Nice job “educating the public,” OUT OF THE PITS! What you accomplished was the destruction of a beautiful child. What you accomplished was nothing but a fantastic lie, with the price of your deception paid for by an innocent boy. Congratulations, MORONS!

This story is over a week old, but it doesn’t look like has any interest in acknowledging the disaster they created. Their web site has a ‘Stories’ section – the typical fluff propaganda pro pit groups are known for. But the real story – the only story worth telling - is how they re-homed a pit bull into the community so that it could put a 5 year old child in surgery and intensive care.

I’m betting these lying shysters never will tell the truth. They’ll never deviate from the lies they’ve turned into mantras. Their Pit Bull agenda is worth more to them than any child’s safety. For the pit bull rescue cults, mutilated children is just the cost of doing business.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 12:05 AM  |  Flag  
Anyone with an ounce of "pit bull" expertise knows that pits don't reach maturity until about 1.5 years old. There is absolutely NO WAY a 3-month old pit bull -- with a history of abuse no less -- can be responsibly evaluated at this young age (Will it turn into a canine ID?)

But don't listen to me, listen to the "expert" pit bull testers at the ATT (American Temperament Test Society) that pit bull lovers swoon about. Problem is, pit bulls CAN NOT undergo the ATT test until they are at least 18 months old!

4. What is the minimum age at which a dog may be tested?Minimum testing age is 18 months.

Anonymous Jimmy O  |  5/01/2009 10:37 AM  |  Flag  
Founded in 2000 by a bunch New York Rescue Angels
Out of the Pits
PO Box 2311
Albany NY 12220

Cindy Cross, President
Mary Allen, Vice President
Kathy Owens, Secretary
Rose Norkus, Treasurer
Suzanne Bunney, Training
Tami Pitt, Product Planner
Gabrielle Demarco, Volunteer Coordinator
Jim Courneen, Asst, Adoption Counselor

Out of the Pits appears to be worth about $100,000. That should cover about 1/10 of Frankie's medical expenses. It's a start.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 11:22 AM  |  Flag  
Thank you Jimmy.

Is there any way to file a complaint with the state system about this group?

They obviously are a danger to public safety.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 11:32 AM  |  Flag  
Rose Norkus, treasurer, parrotting propaganda from the DOG FIGHTERS and BREEDERS here, including AKC propaganda

But really, her comments are right from the dog fighters!!!!!!!!!

So is Rose a breeder? She sounds like a breeder, maybe AKC.

As treasurer, she should be dealing with the liability her group handed out to hurt this child.

Submitted by Rose Norkus, Dec 26, 2006 10:39

Banning Pit Bulls does not solve the problem. Criminals do not obey the law and, to them, dogs are a disposable commodity. I am a 64 year old middle-class woman living in the suburbs of upstate New York. I have had Pit Bulls for over 25 years and have never had a negative incident with any of my dogs. Why? Because I am responsible for their behavior. This is a very devoted, loving breed that stives to please their humans. According to statistics, 1008.9 dog bites requiring medical treatment occur every day in this country The only dog bites that are reported nationally are those inflicted by Rotties or Pit Bulls. What kind of dogs are the other 1000 + that will bite someone today? Also, statistics state that 7% of all canine born of all breeds will eventually bite someone.

Originally, human aggression was bred out of the American Pit Bull Terrier/American Staffordshire Terrier by culling any dog that showed any level of aggression toward a human being. In the late 1800's this resulted in a breed of dog that displayed zero aggression toward any human being. Unfortunately, the necessity of men doing this over a hundred years ago was to ensure their own safety when entering the fighting area of their dogs.

The biggest concern I have is that people ill equipped with knowledge of the facts and the breed are trying to legislate in areas that will impact law abiding people like me in a very negative way. It is sad that anyone would make comments such as "their jaws lock" without checking that fact with a veterinarian or scientist first. That rumor is a complete myth. It is also sad that lawmakers would take their facts from the media rather than documented sources.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 11:38 AM  |  Flag  
Another staff page

Includes "advisors" including William Rasweiler, DVM

Also actress Bernadette Peters (love to hear her response about what happened to this poor child)

Elizabeth Hess

Lawrence Osgood

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 11:41 AM  |  Flag  
Claiming these dogs were ever a children's nursemaid is an outright, baldfaced LIE and is dangerous misinformation to give adopters that can lead to a CHILD MAULING.

This group has liability.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 3:20 PM  |  Flag  
And yet they want to take others to task for claiming the dogs have "locking jaws". Well, let's see. That bit of misinformation at least might save someone from a fatality or even getting bitten by causing them to AVOID the dogs. Their information causes maulings and deaths of children. Well, I'm sure Bernadette Peters has plenty of money. Maybe she ought to pony up some of it for this boy since a group she supports is responsible for his horrendous injuries.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 4:06 PM  |  Flag  
I am pretty tired of the historical fiction the pit bull lobby presents as fact. Has anyone ever challenged them in a debate to back up their claims that man-biters were culled? Can they cite the source of that information? None of them can. Because its fabricated. There is not one bit of evidence that manbiters were routinely culled, and much evidence to the contrary.

To continue to make this claim, they should be forced to cite their source....they need to name a famous, winning pit dog who was killed for biting someone. Actually, to contine to make this claim, they should be able to document multiple instances of winning fighting dogs who were destroyed for biting someone. They won't because they can't.

The entire history of the breed has been sanitized and rewritten by the pit bull breeders and rescuers. Its strange how none of these claims have been challenged.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/01/2009 4:14 PM  |  Flag  
I don't get the logic obaout objecting to the locking jaw.

Wouldn't the victim actually be better off if the jaw locked?

That would mean only one bite instead of 44 or whatever this poor child endured.

Time for the Pit Bull community to have a "Safety Standown" on breeding until they can produce a saferdog!

Anonymous FoolMeOnce  |  5/02/2009 11:38 AM  |  Flag  
Yeah, they love to lock on to the "their jaws do not lock!" so-called myth. Okay. We get it. They don't actually have a locking mechanism in their jaws. It is really a figure of speech -- it is as if these dog's lock on -- and pit nutters know this. Why else would pit-loving sites say things like, "Always carry a break stick in case of an accident. Pit bulls can very enthusiastic about what they are interested in (read WHAT THEY HAVE THEIR JAWS LOCKED ON!"

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/05/2009 1:06 PM  |  Flag  

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/06/2009 2:38 AM  |  Flag  
This child's situation is so sad and could have been prevented if his aunt was not misled about the safety of pit bulls around children. I sincerely hope the family retains a good attorney, and the rescue is forced to fork over some of the money for his substantial medical bills. The $1,200 raised so far is barely a drop in the bucket.

I saw several comments on the news blog expressing the sentiment that the family should be going after the aunt and not asking for "charity" from strangers, doubtless the same people who wouldn't blink twice when asked to donate to keep a mauler from being euthanized. People's piorities are completely skewed. Even if the family were able to sue the aunt for everything she has, I doubt it would pay for a fraction of the total medical costs this child will need.

When a child is permanently damaged like this, none of us should consider ourselves strangers. He is one of our own, and he should be cared for as such.

Blogger P.  |  5/06/2009 10:39 AM  |  Flag  
The insurance industry can be our biggest supporter. I do hope that lawsuits have resulted from all these maulings. Some insurance companies are already redlining and won't write policy for certain breeds or will cancel homeowner policies. We need to stay on the insurance industry to police their redlining policy. When people start losing their homeowners insurance, they will sit up and take note. In communication with the Insurance Information Institute, I found that they have only one credible report that they base their redlining on, the CDC report. We need other credible reports, such as a government report, to present to the insurance industry. So the more lawsuits filed, the more the insurance industry will become involved. Depending on which insurance company, it is reported that one in five to one in three homeowner policy claims are for dog bites. They have a vested interest in this subject.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/06/2009 4:26 PM  |  Flag

Out of the Pits was the receiver of so much voluteer work and charity, that the child got an award for doing so. Nice to know some people drop their kids off to do community service for dogs that will later maul their classmates.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/07/2009 3:45 PM  |  Flag  
There's a Frankie Guestbook now to leave a note to Frankie and his family:

Blogger P.  |  5/10/2009 4:53 PM  |  Flag  
Peninsula Humane also adopted out a pit that attacked and PH temperament tested it three times. Quote from Peninsula Humane about pits.

Scott Delucchi, spokesperson for the Peninsula Humane Society, said pit bulls are definitely a working dog and they can also be aggressive with other dogs. However, he said with the increased media attention, there?s a misconception that dog bites are on the rise.

Yet they keep "saving them all" and at what cost?

Blogger Dog_Fighting_promotes_violent_crime  |  5/13/2009 8:17 AM  |  Flag  
We live in a very sick, disgusting country that puts the welfare of pit bulls ahead of the safety of children. I feel not only should this pit bull rescue group be SUED, but SO SHOULD THE LOCAL GOVERNMENT WHO APPROVED OF THIS INSANE GROUP.



Breed specific legislation is HUMANE is also a powerful anti-cruelty law for the welfare of pit bulls as well as not just for children safety. "Punish the deed instead of the breed" does not work. Dog fighters think dog fighting laws are a joke and *will* still dog fight due to high purses and the distribution of cocaine and illegal weapons. These weapons are used in armed robberies and home invasions. FOR EXAMPLE, IT IS CURRENTLY A HIGH FELONY IN ALL 50 STATES TO DISTRIBUTE COCAINE - BUT IT'S HAPPENING EVERYWHERE DUE TO HIGH PURSES. So I sincerely doubt *any* law against dog fighting even federal levels will not curtail dog fighting. The only alternative left is humanely institute breed specific legislation - because dogs are harder to hide from the public than illicit substances (they are large and bark) - Miami Dade has such a pit bull ban - but people who already own pit bulls keep them - they are just sterilized and kept in their yard; registered with their county. Dog fighting is pretty rare over at Miami DADE (and yes it's very rare there). Thugs and gangs use pit bulls for dog fighting, guard crack houses, etc. and attack police. Did you know, in addition to cocaine fed to pit bulls-they are also fed CRUSHED GLASS - the agony is so bad they become even more vicious. This in fact is a very "standard practice" of dog fighters and is an underground secret. They don't care-they have plenty of dogs in supply as they BREED THEM like chickens, and they will kill them like chickens. The losers end up being burned alive or electrocuted, or hung by the neck. Or, they are released to the streets where they attack children and can even kill them

Anonymous ernie  |  5/15/2009 5:57 PM  |  Flag  

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/16/2009 12:28 AM  |  Flag  
Has Out of the Pits pit bull rescue donated anything to help this child?

Are they still guaranteeing that pit bulls are good with children?

Blogger bitbypit  |  5/16/2009 11:53 AM  |  Flag  
Submissions for choosing the Be Kind to Animals Week winners closed on April 15th, 2009. Frankie Flora was attacked April 16th.

"Nominations must either be submitted online or mailed and postmarked between March 1, 2009 and April 15, 2009. Nominees must be between the ages of 6 and 17 at the time of nomination and will be divided into two age groups: 6 to 12 and 13 to 17. One Grand Prize winner and two runners-up will be selected from each group. Grand Prize winners will each receive $1,000..."

A blog post about this issue will be released at a later date.

Blogger bitbypit  |  5/16/2009 11:56 AM  |  Flag  
In regards to Out the Pits, the group has posted an announcement about the award with a photo that shows Annie hugging a pit bull from Out of the Pits.

"And sharing Annie’s birthday party this year will be her beloved Ike, the pit bull she and her family met on the day they delivered the very first load of blankets to Out of the Pits."

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/18/2009 1:23 AM  |  Flag  
Out of the Pits rescue is flagrantly flaunting their misbehavior and irresponsibility in the face of the Flora family

They are almost tauting them! Taunting the victim.

I hope that the Flora family has contacted an attorney to deal with this organization

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/18/2009 3:05 PM  |  Flag  
And it is a darn shame that the parents of a 6 year old girl can't figure out that they and their daughter are getting used by a group that is involved, in essence, with lobbying and propagandizing for pit bull breeders and dog fighters.

Maybe those are the values of these parents? Who knows?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  5/26/2009 8:48 AM  |  Flag  
Bake Sale Results!

Last week, a bake sale was held at the Super Stop & Shop on Route 9 in the Town of Poughkeepsie. Organizer Dora Celestino, a friend of Maria Flora's, said about $10,800 was raised. "It was outstanding," the Town of Poughkeepsie resident said. "The whole community came together." Celestino said during the event, she called Maria Flora to let her know how things were going. The crowd shouted their greetings to mother and son.

Blogger bitbypit  |  5/26/2009 2:32 PM  |  Flag  
Please note that if you are following the Frankie Flora story, we have set up a special blog post that groups all writings about Frankie, his recovery and related issues:

Coverage of the Frankie Flora Pit Bull Mauling -

Blogger alex12414  |  6/03/2009 7:51 PM  |  Flag  
Pay It Forward For Frankie

Radio Woodstock, 100.1 WDST will be broadcasting LIVE from Fishkill Pools (on Rt. 9 in Fishkill) this Saturday from 11-1. in addition to giving away tickets to see Dickey Betts at The Chance, Brad Paisley at Bethel Woods, and Wilco at Dutchess Stadium, we'll be collecting donations for Frankie Flora, a young boy from Wappingers Falls who was brutally mauled by a dog. Fishkill Pools will also donate a portion of each sale to Frankie. For more information, or to make a donation, go to the Events page at

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/03/2009 7:52 PM  |  Flag  
Pay It Forward For Frankie

Radio Woodstock, 100.1 WDST will be broadcasting LIVE from Fishkill Pools (on Rt. 9 in Fishkill) this Saturday from 11-1. in addition to giving away tickets to see Dickey Betts at The Chance, Brad Paisley at Bethel Woods, and Wilco at Dutchess Stadium, we'll be collecting donations for Frankie Flora, a young boy from Wappingers Falls who was brutally mauled by a dog. Fishkill Pools will also donate a portion of each sale to Frankie. For more information, or to make a donation, go to the Events page at

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/05/2009 5:32 PM  |  Flag  
Here's the owner of a "Nanny Dog" who admits to being afraid of leaving the animal with his children:

"Mr Dodson said Jackson admitted in police interview that although Max had never attacked anybody or another dog before he had felt uncomfortable about leaving it in the presence of his own children. Gary Harper, in mitigation, said his client’s dog, which although registered in Jackson’s name, is kept at an ex-partner’s flat, had run out of the front door after a friend had entered the premises."

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