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Anonymous bluesmom  |  6/20/2009 8:36 PM  |  Flag  
As the victim of a "rescued" pit bull who rode this same pit bull freedom train over state lines to re offend almost as soon as she arrived in my state, I thank you for this post. Those who "rescue" dogs with a violent history give no thought to exposing a mulitude of innocents to Sweetums the Mauler. Patron/Duke is a time bomb, I hope Harrison, Kain and the Furkids Rescue group carry LOTS of insurance.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/20/2009 9:21 PM  |  Flag  
OK, so let me recap for those of you who just tuned in.....a dangerous dog lauches an unprovoked attack on a small child, also attacking the two adults who intervene to save the boys life.

But instead of putting the dog to sleep, he is given to a dog groomer and former vet tech who fantasizes that she has a special ability to "rehabilitate" dangerous dogs. This woman has no education as an animal behaviorist, or dog trainer, but apparently lots of tatoos and a fragile grip on reality. This fake pit bull "expert", then finds a fake "rescue organization" in the form of a 27 year old girl who call herself "pitbullmommy", and who runs a pit bull rescue. Again, this 27 year old girl reveals no information about her qualifications to do this...she is not an experienced dog trainer or behaviorist, just a young girl with a pit bull fetish. Pitbullmommy does not run a registered 501C3 organization...."Furkids Rescue" is not a non-profit, so apparently, rehoming pit bulls is simply her hobby.

Are you with me so far? Good.

So, the fake dog expert, and pitbullmommy decide to adopt out this kid-killer....make no mistake, this dog would have killed this child had two adults not intervened... by posting him on pitbullmommy's website under a fake name. They make sure to tell prospective owners about what a lover he is, but they leave out the part about the mauling two adults and a child. Oh, and he passed his behavior evaluation with flying colors!

Remember this story the next time pit bull advocates try to convince you that they want to "punish the deed, not the breed!" They want to do neither. Your childs life, my childs life, is worth nothing to them.

Anonymous Trigger  |  6/20/2009 10:42 PM  |  Flag  
"Mrs. Kain said she took Patron to a professional trainer/behavior specialist "and he passed." That trainer did not return a phone call asking for comment."
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Wonder why no phone call return?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 12:56 AM  |  Flag  
Y'all are making much ado about nothing...I have always heard that human aggressive Pit Bulls were always culled!

Anonymous MamaDog  |  6/21/2009 2:11 AM  |  Flag  
In light of a very non-funny situation, you still just made me fall over in my chair anonymous. Many human-aggressive pit bulls are not "culled" folks, Patron is an excellent example.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 2:35 AM  |  Flag  
I'd like to know where the dogless and childless community is that Patrone can exist in safely?

PA Dangerous Dog laws are being perverted here...There was never a dangerous dog hearing on this Canine IED.

PUNISH THE DEED...My azz!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 3:42 AM  |  Flag  
Still needs socialization? Then why would a "rehabilitator" adopt out the dog now instead of working with the dog? The dog "still needs work" and ISN'T SOCIALIZED yet is being given out?

For anyone who wants more info on this Kain, her police officer husband investigated for assault and demoted, her ties to Best Friends, and the breeder lobbyist status of the writer who wrote this article, see the dogsbite discussion board.

At least this article will be helpful when the inevitable lawsuit emerges after this dog kills someone.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 3:48 AM  |  Flag  
"Pitbullmommy does not run a registered 501C3 organization...."Furkids Rescue" is not a non-profit, so apparently, rehoming pit bulls is simply her hobby."

WHY IS PETFINDER LETTING THIS HAPPEN? Clearly dog fighters and breeders can be selling on Petfinder if they let this kind of thing go on.

Is her state aware she is not registered 501c3? She is getting "adoption donations."

What about her insurance company?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 3:50 AM  |  Flag  
From Furkids Rescue Petfinder page

"Furkid Rescue deals with mainly Pit Bull pups who have been rescued from gas kill pounds, backyard breeders, or just simply people who cannot keep their dogs"

THIS PERSON IS SELLING PIT BULL PUPPIES, some obtained through backyard breeders.

Petfinder is allowing brokering to go on.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 3:53 AM  |  Flag  
" order to adopt a dog from Furkid Rescue, you must fill out an adoption application, that you can request by emailing the address below. Once your application is approved, the next step is a home check or meet and greet with the dog/dogs of your choice. Once approved, you may be asked to take an approved puppy class as part of the agreement of adoption, and their is a $50 refund after completing the class. You will also be asked to sign a contract and pay an adoption fee"

THERE IS MONEY CHANGING HANDS HERE at FurKid.

Is the state aware of this business activity? Is this income being reported? Does she have a sales tax number?

WHAT IS GOING ON?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 3:57 AM  |  Flag  
This Furkid is also listing Duke/Patrone FOR SALE on a classified business website.

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:r3WrK-EgyUwJ:pittsburgh.oodle.com/sale/pet/-/pet_breed_cane_corso/+furkid+rescue+bethel+park+pa&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

Again, it is FOR SALE.

There is money changing hands.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 4:08 AM  |  Flag  
Furkid selling dogs for pit bull breeders!!!!

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=13432651

This sounds like a breeder brokering business hiding under a trumped up "adoption" front.

This is a BUSINESS, NOT A CHARITY.

Petfinder is allowing a business to misrepresent itself as a charity under their auspices.

People think they are giving "donations" when they are BUYING dogs. They are being told these are donations.

Does the state know she is soliciting donations? Do tax authorities know?

And there is no address! It is all hush hush, by email only, big secret.

The whole thing smells really bad!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 8:13 AM  |  Flag  
The public needs to be aware that many people involved in the pit bull breed are criminals, scammers, or simply mentally ill young women. "Pit bull rescue" emcompasses the lunatic fringe of the humane movement. It is populated with many young women, posing fraudulently as "experts", who manage to dupe a lot of well meaning people who know very little about dogs, into giving them money and support.

It is morally, ethically, and in some cases, legally wrong to adopt out dogs that pose a risk to the general public. Harrison got away with doing this because of his celebrity status. I think the general public thought the dog would be going to an expert trainer or behaviorist who would keep the dog kenneled and away from the public. This is not the case. Someone who worked in the Steelers front office was a friend of Kain's husband, the cop. She had no credentials as a trainer/behavior, she is just some crazy woman who is drawn to dangerous dogs. The dog was just handed over to a friend of a friend.

Pit bull rescues operate much like the Catholic Curch did when they were shuffling around pedophile priets. The public often never finds out, when a pit bull attacks and mauls an adult or child, where the dog came from..quite often, it came from a rescue or shelter, who told prospective owners how "sweet" the dog was.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 2:19 PM  |  Flag  
" Someone who worked in the Steelers front office was a friend of Kain's husband, the cop"

I think this is perhaps not true. I think Best Friends may be trying to cover their tracks here, and distance themsevelves from this shuffling.

Kain has ties to Best Friends, and Harrison said that Best Friends contacted HIM and said they'd find somewhere to put the dog.

I think that Kain and her husband's background is soiled, and this dog is a lawsuit waiting to happen, so Best Friends wants their name out of what they did.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 2:50 PM  |  Flag  
The thing that people really need to understand is that this sort of fraud is being perpetrated every day by the pit bull community. Any time you read an article about dogs that attack and it's not clearly stated and verified that the dogs have been euthanized, this is what is happening. You could have a Level 5 mauler living right next door to you with CLUELESS owners who believed everything false they were told about these dogs.

There needs to be a NATIONAL database of dogs that have attacked human beings or killed livestock. Every one of these maulers should have a microchip implanted that can easily be scanned and connected to their true history so that no one can perpetrate this fraud on the unsuspecting public.

When this dog, Patron, goes on to kill, every one of these people from the breeder, to Harrison, to Kain, Furkids "rescue", and the fake reporter who wrote the propaganda piece will have blood on their hands and should be sued for MILLIONS.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 4:05 PM  |  Flag  
Virtual replicates of Patron, but 100% full-blooded American Pit Bull Terrier

Bryant's Red Devils -- Red Nose American Pit Bull Terrier
http://www.bryantsreddevils.com/

Raising Cain Kennels
http://raisingcainkennels.com/males.html

Big Red Kennels
http://www.Bigredkennels.com

Castle King Kennels
http://www.castlekingkennels.com

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 5:49 PM  |  Flag  
I think letters also need to be sent to some sort of government agency: state representatives, BBB, health department, all media outlets that will listen, and petfinder itself which most likely has no clue their site is being used by people like this. We don't need a national registry, we need these dogs put to sleep. And we need to alert people as to what is going on here. We need people to start questioning the pet ads they see and the rescue volunteers that promise the world. We need accountability - and with a high profile former owner, this just might be the case that does it. Start writing guys, your child may depend on it.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/21/2009 6:36 PM  |  Flag  
Some of these humane groups and individuals are nothing better than liars. Look at this petfinder ad for a "boxer mix," one of the most common and deliberate misstatements of breed to cover a pit bull.
http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=13989692

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 4:46 AM  |  Flag  
Enter now the question:

Did James Harrison supply a financial dowry with this Level 5 Man-mauler?

Second question: A few years ago, another Steeler(Joey Porter) two dogs jumped a fence and were whisked away to Bakersfield, CA...Why are they allowing these athletes to skirt the state's dangerous dog laws?

Blogger Alissa  |  6/22/2009 7:02 AM  |  Flag  
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Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 8:05 AM  |  Flag  
Alissa, as a member of several on-line communities of "dog lovers", for many years, I can tell you that some of the people involved in humane work are definitely misanthropes....they put a higher value on a dog's life than on a human beings. One forum I belonged to had several members who actually hated children...these were childless women who, perhaps because of some sort of trauma or abuse in their lives, felt that children were ALWAYS at fault in the case of dog attacks, and that the aggressive dog was the true victim for being subjected to a child, or for not being kept away from children by an "irresponsible owner".

There are many levels of pathology going on here....some of these women actually believe they have some sort of mystical ability to rehabilitate dangerous dogs, some love the fear these dogs evoke in neighbors and the public. The fundamental issue is, we need laws to protect the public from these mentally unbalanced people, posing as "experts".

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 8:15 AM  |  Flag  
I would also like to add that "rescues" that try and rehome dangerous dogs, do so much damage to the sincere efforts and hard work of so many good people involved in dog rescue. I know many people who wanted to adopt a dog, but have been discouraged by visits to shelters filled with pit bulls, and shelter staff who tried hard to push pit bull adoption. I also have seen many rescue dogs with serious aggression problems, and it really taints the whole notion of "rescue", when three of your neighbor's "rescue" dogs have temperament problems that a rescue group should have been honest about with potential adopters.

Every day in this country, wonderful dogs with rock solid temperaments are put to sleep for lack of space and resources, while the MC Kain's of the world spend huge amounts of money, time, and resources saving dogs that pose a mortal danger to people and pets, who can never truly be safely integrated into society. This really has to stop.

Blogger Schmupie  |  6/22/2009 1:20 PM  |  Flag  
As a person who lives in Pgh and a victim of pit bull mauling- this infuriates me beyond measure. The stupidity and irreverant regard for the victims in this situation is disgusting. This is blatant irresponsibility on the part of the previous owner and Mary Kay Kain. Perhaps the monster will have to actually kill someone before it's unadoptable?? Ridiculous.

UPDATE: Duke has been removed from Petfinder. Ironic.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 3:02 PM  |  Flag  
Anonymous who commented regarding tainting rescue

You are so right. This pit bull thing is RUINING IT for the wonderful, loving dogs in rescue.
Not only are pit bulls taking up space and consumning massive amounts of time and money that could be spent on needy loving dogs but,

When people hear about all the problems with these rescued pit bulls, they think all rescued dogs have these problems. That is NOT TRUE!

And I will also tell you that one of the reasons that the breeders hooked up with the No Kill thing and Winograd is that breeders WANT shelters to be packed with pit bulls. They WANT dogs adopted from shelters to be perceived as troubled and dangerous because then, they believe, MORE PEOPLE WILL BUY FROM BREEDERS AND PUPPY MILL-SUPPLIED PET STORES (that the AKC profits from with registrations) (Even though breeders' dogs are more messed up these days than any non-pit bull adopted dog)

This has been discussed within breeder groups like Naia

And the No Kill movement now has gotten completely sucked up in the pit bull promotion biz with these breeders, helping the pit bull breeders and fighters breed more and more dangerous pit bulls.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 3:07 PM  |  Flag  
The breeders also want the rescue community to be going broke handling the pit bulls, so the rescue community doesn't have time or money to push for things like breeeder licensing, puppy mill regulation, and other regulations breeders don't like (which is any regulation.)

The breeders also want the rescue community to be "rehabilitating" the "reputation" of pit bulls to make it easier for the pit bull breeders and dog fighters to do their thing.

They also want the rescue community to directly oppose regulations, just like the Winograd No Kill now opposes things like anti-tethering regulations (that the dog fighters obviously don't want because they do it!)

Very very stupid rescue community has gotten suckered by the breeders, in too many cases.

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/22/2009 3:11 PM  |  Flag  
We'll get it updated...Thanks!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 3:59 PM  |  Flag  
Officer Ray Fate, from McKees Rocks-based Triangle Pet Control Services, told Channel 4 Action News that the dog is being kept there and will have to be put down. Harrison does not want the animal back in the house, and a dog that attacked a child cannot be adopted.

I would like Officer Ray Fate to comment on the situation, he will be receiving a letter shortly.

Anonymous bluesmom  |  6/22/2009 4:07 PM  |  Flag  
It would be appropriate for any poster living in PA to bring this matter to the attention of the PA Attorney General with the question "it is legal in PA to rehome a vicious dog without disclosing the dog's history?" What are the containment requirements for a proven vicious dog in your state? If the dog's history is not disclosed then any required special containment or insurance will not come into play for this triple mauler.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 4:55 PM  |  Flag  
Petfinder needs also to address this Furkid rescue, and the others that are not licensed charities that are running brokering arrangements for pit bulls.

This is not charity, and this is not rescue.

So who else is "selling" on Petfinder? Puppy mills? Dog fighters?

I have seen a drift in Petfinder toward promoting pit bulls, and promoting them with propaganda from the pit breeders.

Has Petfinder been tainted with breeder industry types?

I know Discovery channel now owns Petfinder. Is Betsy Saul still runing things there? She and her husband Jared Saul, an MD, sold Petfinder for millions a couple of years ago, but Saul I think stayed on to run things.

I also know that even a couple of years ago, dog fighters were posting photos of their chained pit bulls on the Petfinder message boards, along with trying to solicit anti-bsl activity, and Petfinder refused to take these posts down. Also refused to take down the propaganda from the AKC breeders. Instead, Petfinder was throwing off people who complained about the breeders!

Part of the problem is that some of the moderators were breeders who had sneaked their way in to their forum or message boards.

At the time, the administrator was Cary Moran,
Public Relations Coordinator. She seemed to be enabling this breeder activity. I don't know if she is still hired there or not, or if she is behind the pit bull promoting.

Petfinder sends out promotion and newsletter emails that are filled with pit bull breeder propaganda at this point, and anti-bsl lobbying.

It has gotten much worse!

There's something wrong at Petfinder that needs a good hard look.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 5:01 PM  |  Flag  
Petfinder needs to limit listing to organizations and groups with documented charity paperwork, with physical addresses given for at least the President if they don't have a building.

Otherwise it can turn into criminal activity, with "charitable donations" being solicited by non-charities hiding under the aegis of Petfinder to make it appear that they are charities.

I thought in the past that Petfinder did this. Has this changed?

This particular charity has NO ADDRESS, no names, and interacts only by anonymous email! Bad situation!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 5:03 PM  |  Flag  
PA Attorney General. All contact info is here.

http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/

The public needs to have an answer from this man.

Anonymous FoolMeOnce  |  6/22/2009 5:55 PM  |  Flag  
Anonymous said: "I know Discovery channel now owns Petfinder"

This is highly disturbing, and it explains something for me. My cousin told me she saw a show on the Discovery Channel, and, she said with conviction, "They used to be Nanny dogs -- it's the way they are treated, not the breed!" She said the reason pits have gotten such a bad reputation started in the 80's due to their being so popular with thugs and gangstas. She said this in response to a statement I made about No-kill shelters and pitbulls.

I found it very hard to believe that the distinguished Discovery Channel would actually perpetuate the Nanny Dog myth. I also found it hard to believe that they would be unaware of the origins of this breed, i.e., for dogfighting, and that was long before the 80's. Now I know why they were spreading the myths in their documentary! So scary!!!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 9:32 PM  |  Flag  
First off....no insurance company would insure a home with Patron in it. From a pragmatic standpoint, the only way to adopt out a dangerous pit bull with a bite history would be to 1. Lie to prospective adopters about the dog's history or 2. Adopt the dog out to some lunatic/criminal who WANTS an aggressive dog, who will simply lie to his insurance agent/landlord about the breed/nature of the dog. You cannot find a good home for a dog like that, because normal people don't want a dog like that. Its a catch-22.....the only real option is to put the dog to sleep.

The dog is a serious legal liability, a major lawsuit waiting to happen. The Steelers organization should realize the bad press that Harrison has created by not doing the right thing...he put other peoples children at risk. I realize Harrison is a moron, but don't these football players have managers and PR folks looking out for the organization?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 10:01 PM  |  Flag  
"Duke passed his behavior evaluation with flying colors."

Buppppph! "Duke," already failed the only behavior test that matters. He FAILED in real life, not during some contrived situation.

This illustrates the complete lack of credibility for these so called behavior evaluations of pit bulls. If anything, it's furthur proof that pit bulls are inconsistent and unpredictable.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/22/2009 11:05 PM  |  Flag  
What about the police department that the husband was demoted in? Their officer is passing bad dogs without revealing a bite history.

They are even admitting the dog is bad, that it needs socialization!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 12:26 AM  |  Flag  
So now I'm curious. Why was the listing taken down so quickly if everything was on the up and up? Are these hucksters scrambling to find some other criminal lowlife to "rehab" this dog and post it on yet another pet site? Did they honestly think people wouldn't be able to put two and two together and figure out the identity of this dog? Nowhere to run, nowhere to hide. Patron needs to be put down, no matter what they rename him or what breed they try to claim he is. The dog is a time bomb waiting to go off. The next child might not be so lucky.

Anonymous MamaDog  |  6/23/2009 3:11 AM  |  Flag  
I personally like Mary Kay Kain's "smooch" pose (taken by the Post Gazette) in contrast to several weeks ago when the loving Patron launched an unprovoked, predatory attack on James Harrison's son then attacked the two women that tried to stop it. Patron hospitalized all three victims -- the little boy for a full week!

Don't forget the details: "The boy's mother jumped on top of the child to protect him and the pit bull began biting her. Lisa Ripi, who was also present, grabbed the child, ran about 40 yards and dropped the baby over a fence. The pit bull then chased Ripi, biting her and also tried to attack the baby through the fence."

And now it's "smooch" time!

Mary Kay Kain, Furkid Rescue and the Post Gazette do NOT care if this dog lands in the next yard over from a family with a child (They only "prefer" a fence too!). It was the mere crying of James Harrison's son that turned this smoocher into a triple mauler. What will make the animal flip next? The sudden shout of: "Honey! Get the phone!" ???

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 5:59 AM  |  Flag  
Maybe they sold the dog. They had it listed for sale on some online classified websites.

Maybe Fuoco Wilson's ad-pretending-to-be-a-news story got the word out there and a nut wanting a "celebrity" aggressive pit bull bought the dog from Kain.

Clearly that was the point of the article. Sell the dog, and point buyers to Kain.

Fuoco Wilson should get fired for this.

Do you think Kain's neighbors knew they had a vicious dog next door?

Blogger Schmupie  |  6/23/2009 7:57 AM  |  Flag  
Here's an important question: How did James Harrison avoid the charge of Harboring a Dangerous Dog?? In PA, one attack- one serious injury meets the criteria in the statute. The dog warden has not done his/her job. THat's the only way to have Patron LEGALLY labled a Dangerous Dog. That is going to be the loophole for Petfinder and any other delusional person trying to get this monster adopted.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 8:12 AM  |  Flag  
This is simply mind boggling...the listing for Duke did not say he couldn't go to a home with children, just that he would not be adopted out to anyone with "young" children. What does that mean? For most rescue organizations, that means no children under five years old.

So would Duke be placed in a home with ten year olds? How about 14 year olds? What happens when the kids in the neighborhood come over, and one brings a younger sibling? The MC Kains of the world are so far removed from how normal people live, they don't even understand how ridiculously meaningless their "restrictions" are.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 12:31 PM  |  Flag  
"Officer Ray Fate, from McKees Rocks-based Triangle Pet Control Services, told Channel 4 Action News that the dog is being kept there and will have to be put down. Harrison does not want the animal back in the house, and a dog that attacked a child cannot be adopted."

So, how was Officer Fate able to ignore Pennsylvania law and simply give the dog away? Was he slipped an envelope full of cash? If Patron's owner was a truck driver, the dog would be dead. Who bought off officer Fate?

As a poster above mentioned, the dog was cross posted on numerous internet classifeds under animals for sale. How much did MK Kain charge for the priviledge of owning Harrisons dog? The dog has not been "rehabilitated" in 20 days, the woman isn't even a trainer. It seems like Harrison may have been scammed by this woman, who, along with Furkids rescue, made a big profit from selling this dog.

I would also like to remind folks that people searching for an American bandogge mastiff, or a Cane Corso X pit bull, are NOT looking for a nice family pet. Mastiff/pit crosses are controversial, even amongst pit bull advocates, some of whom claim that the addition of a guarding breed to a pit bull increases the chance of the dog being human aggressive. What kind of breeder crosses a pit with a Cane Corso? The only reason for doing so would be to create a larger, more intimidating, more dangerous dog.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 5:59 PM  |  Flag  
"That is going to be the loophole for Petfinder and any other delusional person trying to get this monster adopted"

Petfinder doesn't place animals themselves. I think that Petfinder tries to hide behind the "we're just an adoption listing website, it's up to the user to investigate the organizations who list here" mode to keep out of this nasty issue.

That allows group like this Furkid to take advantage of the "charitable" fog that Petfinder wraps itself in and intimates or outright claims to the public.

Petfinder does supposedly screen these groups to some degree, but obviously not enough. The question is, HOW exactly do they screen them? How do they keep out the dog fighters breeders asking for "adoption fees" to "adopt out" poor little pit bull puppies, that they are really selling? Or the puppy mills?

The people who seem to run Petfinder all seem to be naive young women, and some seem to have links to the pit bull fanatic and even breeder trade. That is the impression.

I think the basic problem is that the Discovery corporation is running Petfinder like a hobby in a housewives basement, instead of what it is, which is a business owned a corporation that could see some nasty press and litigation if a dog fighting ring using their site for cover and posing as a rescue gets exposed, or a Petfinder-listed dog kills a child.

Example- Petfinder could make it a rule that any groups that list a dog on their site, even as a courtesy posting, must have any bite history revealed, and that if a group does not reveal this, that is grounds for banishment from the site and even legal action.

Also, any listing rescue or group on Petfinder should have their official 501c3 paperwork or whatever filed and examinable. But Petfinder gets a lot of pressure from these itinerant and underground rescues or breeders, often running illegal operations in their state without permits and the like, to let them list. They don't want to file proper charitable paperwork because their illegal operations would get exposed, and they would be held accountable.

I think Petfinder has also bought into the no kill mantra, and no kill opposes proper registration, licensing, etc because no kill tries to claim it works because they just hand animals out to any hoarder or whatever who will take them. That's the no kill shuffling game to try to make the euthanasia statistics look good. (No kill also advocates adopting out aggressive dogs, and no kill shelter leaders have hidden bite histories of dogs just to get them out of the shelter!)

But Petfinder just seems to be in a haze, and the calculating "abusers" of the website are outsmarting them. Either that, or those running Petfinder are intentionally letting these people abuse the site.

I wonder if the problem is not the leadership of Betsy Saul, who after she and her husband sold it to Discovery, stayed on to run Petfinder. From everything I've seen Saul write, she seems not to understand how the breeders and dog fighters and no killers manipulate the humane crowd, and there seems to be zero action fixing the big holes and glaring problems on Petfinder that put the public at risk and hurt animals.

I know that there absolutely have been puppy mills posing as rescues running their businesses on Petfinder, posing as charitable organizations, making a lot of money asking for significant "donations" from the unwitting public who thinks they are adopting not buying, and that it has taken a lot of fight from some people to get Petfinder to drop even some of these crooks. Some are still listing.

But the tipping point for Petfinder is that there will be a mauling incident connected to Petfinder. It's coming.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 6:54 PM  |  Flag  
If these rescue groups had to file charitable paperwork, they also would be responsible for the money they are collecting and how it is used, because some of the "donations" given to some of these groups or individuals is being used as personal, untaxed income by the recipients (when the donors think it is going to a legit charity being held responsible.)

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 7:11 PM  |  Flag  
Another Pitophile schuffling operation here:

http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x99386397/Cohasset-pit-bull-given-second-chance-at-life-albeit-in-Colorado

Colorado should ship back a sex offender in retaliation!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/23/2009 10:58 PM  |  Flag  
Placing unsocialized pit bulls is not new for Furkid Rescue either

http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=13432651

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/26/2009 4:03 PM  |  Flag  
How come the two "boxer mixes" at LinnCountyHumaneSociety.org look just like the pit bull Furkid Rescue has up for adoption? Have a look:


http://www.petfinder.com/petnote/displaypet.cgi?petid=13432651
vs.
http://www.linncountyhumanesociety.org/availabledogs.htm

This is despite Linn County's official policy of NOT adopting out pit bulls. So they get away with it by calling them boxer mixes?

Blogger bitbypit  |  6/26/2009 5:41 PM  |  Flag  
Excellent catch! Humane Societies commonly mislabel pit bulls as boxer-mixes to hide the true breed identity. We've created a photo at the below link that shows a comparison between the Linn County dogs and the Furkid pit bull terrier listing.

http://www.dogsbite.org/blog/uploaded_images/linn-county-humane-breed-mislabeling-example.jpg

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/26/2009 9:42 PM  |  Flag  
Linn County officials need to know that they are getting sent on the road to a massive liability lawsuit thanks to the Linn County Humane Society who is making fools of them!

Anonymous Trigger  |  6/26/2009 11:09 PM  |  Flag  
Can you please post a link to the Linn County official pit bull adoption policy? This is Linn County, MO, right?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/27/2009 6:47 PM  |  Flag  
Currently, the Pitophiles are trafficking misunderstood Patrone, The Face Biter from Cohasset, and now they are trying to save "Snaps" who mauled a woman on command in Seattle last week.

I've never seen such criminally negligent stewardship of a breed....and they wonder why bans are spreading like wildfire!

PREVENT THE DEED, REGULATE THE BREED!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/29/2009 10:48 AM  |  Flag  
I am unfortunately fairly close to this situation and I work with pit bulls regularly - that said, it seems like RESPONSIBLE pit bull rescues and you guys share something in common, we will NOT advocate for ANY dog that bites a human. Period.
A rescue I am close with was contacted repeatedly to 'save' Patron, they refused to help - they simply cannot and will not work with dogs that have a bite history. THAT is being responsible.
MK Kain is the enemy to not just you guys, but to true and responsible rescues for doing what she did. NO DOG is EVER magically rehabbed in 20 days. She should be ashamed of herself for housing so many man-biters & wasting resources on dogs that are such a high liability.
Shame on Harrison for having an unsocialized dog locked in a small pen in his yard - no dog should live on a slab of concrete, but the best thing that could have happened to Patron would have been to be humanely euthanized.
As much as MK Kain states he passed his tests, I have heard he is extremely shy of people, and outlandishly aggressive towards other dogs.
Shame on the Post Gazette for spreading what they thought was some kind of heart-warming story... for it is a slap in the face to true rescuers everywhere, that have taken dogs like Patron to Rainbow Bridge and held their paw when no one else would.
The whole situation is sickening.

Anonymous Trigger  |  6/29/2009 11:45 AM  |  Flag  
You have no idea if Harrison had an "unsocialized" dog, "locked" in a pen 24/7 and "living on a slab of concrete." That's typical pit bull advocacy garbage that blames this violent TRIPLE MAULING attack on a "bad" upbringing instead of the genetic truth. Patron was a well cared for family pet pit bull; owned by a millionaire! The pit bull SNAPPED into high-prey drive and attacked the crying toddler, then attacked the two adults that tried to stop him.

Shame on you for not telling the truth!

Blogger Honesty Helps  |  6/29/2009 1:55 PM  |  Flag  
I thought Harrison wanted to save the dog because he "loves" it. But what this rescue is saying is that he didn't care about the dog if it was thrown outside on concrete. So that is somewhat confusing. Your admittance that he should have been euthanized is refreshing to a degree. Since beginning recently to get involved in this issue, I was for regulation but now I have to be for bans. I was overwhelmed when I started researching just how often these breeds are attacking. I was appalled by the comments attacking victims. It's one thing to address the pits, but the defenders of these pits are downright scary. So I would have to vote against those who are adopting out "rehabbed" pits or any pits without a known history or background. Owners of pits don't come with a scarlett letter on their foreheads so it has to be directed at the dogs themselves.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/29/2009 3:34 PM  |  Flag  
According to Harrison and family members, this dog Patron "always got along well" with the little boy. The boy had interacted with him before, and they THOUGHT the dog was "fine."

Blogger Schmupie  |  6/29/2009 5:03 PM  |  Flag  
Seems to be what they all say....

Blogger Honesty Helps  |  6/29/2009 6:52 PM  |  Flag  
I've gone back and re-read the posting saying this dog was an outside dog. Something just doesn't set right. The typical excuses are there and that bothers me. I don't believe this was an outside dog, I really don't. And besides that, crying should not set any dog off under any circumstances. I am still puzzled as to why he would save this dog when three members of his family were attacked. Why he would want to play with the possibility of it happening again? Nothing makes a lot of sense here with that "rescue" posting, too many questions come to mind.

Anonymous Trigger  |  6/29/2009 7:22 PM  |  Flag  
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4199432
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"Parise said Harrison has not had trouble with the animal in the past. "I've been with that dog personally, he's a wonderful animal," he said."

"A woman who lives a few houses down from Harrison said his dogs are well-behaved and cared for and are not a problem for neighbors."

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/sports/19538321/detail.html
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"Patron had always been good with James III until the attack happened on Thursday, according to Ripi."

"...He was a great dog, and not in his character," Ripi said.

Anonymous FoolMeOnce  |  6/29/2009 8:43 PM  |  Flag  
"Why he would want to play with the possibility of it happening again?"

I have no doubt it is because he was immediately contacted by multiple "rescues" chomping at the bit to get their hands on this dog.

And I agree with you all that the posting from the person involved in rescue is disappointing, in that the dog's vicious attack is blamed on alleged living conditions, instead of admitting the truth -- these dogs are unpredictable even when are raised from birth sleeping inside on satin sheets in bed with humans and other dogs.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  6/30/2009 4:21 AM  |  Flag  
Too many rescues are also saying, well, we won't adopt out dogs that have bitten a person.

But they ARE adopting out dog-aggressive dogs.

Not only is that a terrible thing to do to the innocent pet that will die, PEOPLE get hurt in these pit bull on dog attacks.

Ledy VanKavage when she was at ASPCA was saying that dog-aggressive dogs are ok!

Someone should send her the medical bill when a dog-aggressive pit goes after their pet and all get hurt or killed.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  7/01/2009 3:10 PM  |  Flag  
Looks like the writer of "Cat's Call" from the Post-Gazette is also a pit bull apologist. After the concerned woman wrote in (see below), Cat's Call told her that the "the breed is irrelevant" and "any animal can bite if properly provoked." Someone needs to send Cat's Call a fatality report that clearly demonstrates the pit bull's "killer bite." You might also remind the person how many cats pit bulls savagely kill each year (that pesky pit bull "animal aggression")!

"DEAR CAT: My parents-in-laws recently acquired an adult pit bull who was raised by other in-laws. They ask us to come to family gatherings (with our two kids), but now I'm leery of the dog. We have two dogs, but this pit bull has never been around children, and I'm afraid one of my kids will make a sudden move that the dog won't necessarily like, and attack. I've heard about pit bull attacks for years, and I don't believe "it's how you raise the dog." My husband shrugs off my hesitation, saying he was raised with pits and nothing has ever happened. I consider him lucky! How do I express my concern about the dog without causing bad feelings in the family? -- BULL-IED IN PITTSBURGH"

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09181/980663-436.stm

Anonymous Trigger  |  7/04/2009 1:26 PM  |  Flag  
More glorifying pit bull tales from the Post-Gazette by Linda Fuoco:

"Pit bull honored for foiling intruder"
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09185/981716-62.stm

Anonymous Anonymous  |  12/12/2009 8:29 AM  |  Flag  
Update on Patron...It looks like Mary Kain was folied from trafficking this dog...It still needs thre dangerous dog declaration!

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09346/1020316-62.stm

Blogger Twisted Tree  |  1/10/2010 9:25 PM  |  Flag  
IN re to the below message left someone sent me this earlier tonight. Just so folks know I quit Petfinder.com in January 200. So if the breeder issues have gotten bad...that would be why. But also note that the moderator is an employee and has to do what they are told. They don't get to make the rules, just enforce them. So hint hint folks.

Petfinder needs also to address this Furkid rescue, and the others that are not licensed charities that are running brokering arrangements for pit bulls.

This is not charity, and this is not rescue.

So who else is "selling" on Petfinder? Puppy mills? Dog fighters?

I have seen a drift in Petfinder toward promoting pit bulls, and promoting them with propaganda from the pit breeders.

Has Petfinder been tainted with breeder industry types?

I know Discovery channel now owns Petfinder. Is Betsy Saul still runing things there? She and her husband Jared Saul, an MD, sold Petfinder for millions a couple of years ago, but Saul I think stayed on to run things.

I also know that even a couple of years ago, dog fighters were posting photos of their chained pit bulls on the Petfinder message boards, along with trying to solicit anti-bsl activity, and Petfinder refused to take these posts down. Also refused to take down the propaganda from the AKC breeders. Instead, Petfinder was throwing off people who complained about the breeders!

Part of the problem is that some of the moderators were breeders who had sneaked their way in to their forum or message boards.

At the time, the administrator was Cary Moran,
Public Relations Coordinator. She seemed to be enabling this breeder activity. I don't know if she is still hired there or not, or if she is behind the pit bull promoting.

Petfinder sends out promotion and newsletter emails that are filled with pit bull breeder propaganda at this point, and anti-bsl lobbying.

It has gotten much worse!

There's something wrong at Petfinder that needs a good hard look.

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