Friday, December 12, 2008
UPDATE 12/23/08: The Wildside Kennel MySpace page is now gone from Google cache. It has been preserved as a DogsBite.org Scribd page. Pet-Abuse.com has Ed Faron's 1989 conviction recorded online, and we imagine shortly, will also have his 2008 arrest record and related details.
12/12/08: Breeder Denies Involvement
Millers Creek, NC - Just one glance at Ed Faron's MySpace page -- which only remains in Google cache now -- and you'll have a good idea of the types of dogs he breeds and for the purpose in which he breeds. This is topped off with a voice over at the web page that promotes "stopping BSL." One can even purchase a dogfighting painting signed by Ed Faron. The image depicts a "handler" drying off a pit bull moments prior to a match. You can meet Ed in this video.
From left: Dead Game tee-shirt, painting, unnamed pit bull, Cates' GR CH Nigerino
Charged with Felony Dogfighting and Baiting
Faron has been charged with felony dogfighting and baiting. The Wilkes Journal-Patriot reports that Faron said he was a victim of entrapment, referring to two men who came to his house and said they wanted to buy pit bulls for dogfighting. Faron, 61, said he now realized the two men were undercover officers. Feeling the economic squeeze, Faron said, "I took the bait and started telling them what I thought they wanted to hear" when they asked for dogs for fighting.
Although he was convicted of dogfighting and sentenced to a year in jail in Alamance County in June 1989, Faron said he didn't engage in that illegal activity now. He also said he didn't knowingly sell dogs for fighting. A website for Wildside Kennels, at renegadewebdesign.net, states, "No dogs bred, raised or sold for illegal purposes!" and lists extensive pedigree information for pit bulls at the kennel. Authorities seized 127 pit bulls from his property.
Faron said he sells pit bull puppies for an average of $500 each. But Wilkes Sheriff Dane Mastin said authorities believe Faron sold dogs for around $1,200 to $7,500 each. Mastin also said that Faron started the Appalachian Pit Bull Club. After the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) released news of the seizure of the 127 dogs and the charges against Faron, numerous pit bull lovers fired up their blogs and began posting their support of Faron.
The Complete Gamedog: A Guide to Breeding and Raising
the American Pit Bull Terrier by Ed and Chris Faron
Ed and Chris Faron authored a well-known book that is passed between dogfighters and breeders of fighting dogs. So that people can truly understand the violence involved in dogfighting and the dispensability of these dogs -- owners of fighting dogs do not love their dogs -- we are posting excerpts from this book. The quotes are not necessarily from the authors, but rather dogfighters they profiled in the book or others who wrote stories reprinted in the book.
This is how dogfighters talk about their dogs:
"Vindicator was really punishing Zebo's front legs, but Zebo was hurting Vindicator's nose putting holes in his muzzle the size of my little finger, and the blood was running all over." Page 33
"I believe I kept Homer this time and rolled him on a Zebo dog, and he ruined it in about five minutes, took part of it's jaw out." Page 37
"His face had only just healed from that fight with the Wreckers' dog and he got his nose chewed half off again, that night." Page 40
"Everyone told me afterwards that Miss Rufus was a fantastic bitch; she got on the head and rode it for the first ten minutes or so until she wore the other bitch down and then she went in and worked the chest, legs, brisket- everything. She broke both of the bitch's front legs and even reportedly broke several of her ribs. Willie B. told us that the bitch she beat had been the best Red Boy bitch he had ever seen." Page 44
"She had one of the fastest, hardest mouths we'd ever seen, and she snapped one of Miss Rufus' front legs like a twig." Page 45
"Miss Rufus spent most of the rest of the fight on her back and Bandit broke her other front leg high up in the shoulder, as well as one of her back legs, in the knee joint. The only leg she didn't break she chewed all to hell. She had literally scalped Miss Rufus, tearing a big chunk of skin off the top of her head alongside one ear." Page 45
"She was a super-rough dog that hit our bitch hard and laid one of her legs open to the bone as soon as she was released. That was her first and last hold. At nine minutes Jolene had broke her front legs and was working the throat of a down dog." Page 50
"We later found out that she had broken both of her opponent's front legs and literally tore one of them off." Page 53
"Sadie had destroyed her face so badly that her sinuses were crushed, her whole face was pulsing up and down as she breathed and air was bubbling out of the holes on her muzzle and around her eyes. The last thing Jolene did before losing consciousness entirely was throw up an incredible amount of blood- we couldn't figure out how she could have swallowed so much. We carefully pried open her mouth and peered inside with a flashlight, and it was then we saw just how badly she was hurt. There was a big hole between her eyes- big enough on the outside to stick a dime into, and this hole went clear through her skull, emerging in the roof of her mouth just in front of her throat. A thin trickle of blood was running down her throat, she must have been hemorrhaging throughout the fight. We sat there helplessly, watching our pride and joy take one last faltering breath, and then Jolene was gone." Page 54
"It's a shame she had to run into one she couldn't beat, but it would have been wrong to deny Jolene her chance and we believe it was the happiest day of her life." Page 55 referring the fight described in the quote above
"We might as well tell you that we're ‘Dutch Boy' fanatics; considering we had a dog that could break either leg at any time, I mean, he broke muzzles, crushed skulls- we saw him bite dogs in the chest and their chest would literally collapse. That was Beau, and he was a Dutch Boy bred dog." Page 60
"She loved to work the stifle, but she could do it all. I've seen her literally tear a dogs nose off." Page 62
"The gamest dog I ever saw in my life was King David. At ten minutes, his right leg was broken. At twenty-three minutes, his left leg was broken. At thirty-seven he scratched on stumps, and at forty-eight minutes when he scratched he scratched down one wall and down the other until he got to Beau again." Page 62
"We saw her punch holes through the chest and lung of a bitch in six minutes, one time; she was a punishing chest dog. Her sister was a brutal leg dog- she would slash them legs up, looked like someone used one of them Ginsu knives!" Page 62
"Boss took a chunk of bone out of that dog's skull the size of a fifty-cent piece!" Page 62
"Sadie hit the front legs immediately, by the 15 minute mark she had both of Star's front legs broken and one of them was completely gone- but Start kept on scratching, we couldn't stop her." Page 78
"His next three rolls were into a bigger dog than him (fifty pounds) and nothing went under forty minutes. In these rolls Roy had his foot broken and tendons in his front legs torn for life. His legs would never be the same." Page 81
"He put the lower half of his jaw around the bottom of Bossman's neck, his upper jaw on the back of his neck and bit!!! There was a ‘crack' and Bossman straightened out and lost control of his bowels- he was stone-cold dead!!! Roy continued to crunch on Bossman's skull." Page 82-32
"Ajex gradually worked his way to the top and at forty-five minutes broke on of Bandit's front legs with a loud snap. The leg dangled uselessly for the rest of the fight." Page 92
"The pup off Bandit (blinded in one eye one back leg broken, and his head, chest both shoulders and both stifles badly damaged) finally quit, coming across and standing parallel with the dog on his last scratch. At this point the ‘dogman' told the kid something to the effect of "see, I told you he was a cur like his father." Page 97
"Sugar ruined two or three more of our dogs (puncturing a lung on one bitch)…" Page 103
12/07/08: NYT: Dogfighting Subculture is Taking Hold in Texas
11/20/08: Orange County, NC Finally Passes Anti-Tethering Ordinance
11/10/08: Comment: Fighting Dogs Being Adopted Out as "Bait Dogs"
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| 12/12/2008 6:03 PM |
OLD TIMER'S PLAY BOOK POST 1976
"In an interview today, Edward A. Faron said he was a victim of entrapment, referring to two men who came to his house Monday and said they wanted to buy pit bulls for dog fighting. Faron, 61, said he now realized the two men were undercover officers."
DENY DENY DENY AND ALWAYS BLAME "THE MAN"! EVEN IF YOU WERE ONCE>>>>
"convicted of dog fighting and sentenced to a year in jail in Alamance County in June 1989, Faron said he didnít engage in that illegal activity now. He also said he didnít knowingly sell dogs for fighting."
"Faron, originally from Ohio, said he became involved with training dogs when he returned to the United States after serving in the Vietnam War in 1970."
START WORKING THE JURY EARLY ON, DROP SUBTLE HINTS TO THE NEWS MEDIA THAT MIGHT GARNER SOME SYMPATHY LATER ON.
"Faron said he is the legal guardian for Casanova, who turns 19 this month."
MENTOR SOME YOUNG DUPE TO KEEP THE GAME ALIVE BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY TO KEEP YOUR LEGACY ALIVE.
"He said he also started the Appalachian Pit Bull Club, which he said has dog shows at the Taylorsville Lions Club Park in Taylorsville."
FORM A "CLUB" TO SERVE AS A SCREEN FOR YOUR TRUE INTERESTS, BLOOD SPORT.
"Kimberley Thomson of the Pender County town of Hampstead, who bought a pit bull from Faron and entered pit bulls in dog shows, said she opposed dog fighting and didnít believe Faron was involved in that illegal activity."
NETWORK WITH THE "LITTLE PEOPLE". THEY WILL PROVIDE YOU WITH THE ILLUSION OF "LEGITIMACY" AND A PLACE TO DUMP THE UNWANTED UNWORTHY CURS. THEY ARE ALSO GOOD FOR A LITTLE PR IN STICKY SITUATIONS.
"After the Humane Society of the United States released news of the seizure of the 127 dogs and the charges against Faron and two other people Thursday morning, numerous people involved with pit bulls indicated their support of Faron and their belief in his innocence on Internet blogs."
MAINTAIN A SLEW OF CHARACTER REFERENCES! ALWAYS REMAIN ON FRIENDLY TERMS WITH THE OTHER VERMIN, I MEAN, YOUR ASSOCIATES. YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN "THE MAN" WILL COME A KNOCKING. AND THE YOUNG PUPS WORSHIP THE GROUND DOGMEN SPIT ON, SO CULTIVATE THAT GROUPIE STATUS OF YOURS.
"In an e-mail to the Wilkes Journal-Patriot, Ms. Thomson called Faron a very compassionate, good hearted, dog loving breeder. Iíve seen for myself how much his animals love him. She called Faron a walking book of information about pit bulls"
YUP! HE WROTE THE BOOK ALRIGHT! EXCERPT FROM SCUMBAG EDDY'S FICTIONAL BOOK:
“The gamest dog I ever saw in my life was King David. At ten minutes, his right leg was broken. At
twenty-three minutes, his left leg was broken. At thirty-seven he scratched on stumps, and at fortyeight
minutes when he scratched he scratched down one wall and down the other until he got to
Beau again.” Page 62
PEDIGREES OF SCUMBAG EDDY'S "FICTIONAL DOGS":
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=3036 (THERE IS EVEN A FICTIONAL FIGHT PHOTO ON THIS ONE)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=7 (FICTIONAL SCARS ON A FICTIONAL DOG)
http://www.apbt.online-pedigrees.com/modules.php?name=Public&file=printPedigree&dog_id=154 (FICTIONAL SCARS ON A FICTIONAL DOG)
| 12/12/2008 6:30 PM |
This is so very important, I want to make this clear to readers of this blog and anyone else who will listen. Dogfighters are breeding and advertising these dogs in plain sight, all over the internet. Someone here posted a link to the pit bull chat forum, which bills itself as an "educational community of pit bull dog advocates". In addition to the many young women posting edlessly about rescuing pit bulls, and the posting of "positive press" news stories about pit bulls, there are subforums dedicated to "bloodlines" and "breeding" , where people trade information about the game-bred lines. You would have to be a complete moron to not understand what these people were talking about...they are asking if this or that bloodline (enter the name of a well known fighting bloodline...Bolio, Colby, Jocko, etc.) is "any good", or would be an "asset to my yard". What do you think they are talking about?
Are we all that stupid? Why does the public fall for this? Does anyone really believe that people who keep a "yard" of 15 game bred pit bulls on chains, with an old barrel for a dog house, is breeding them for "family pets", or that these animals are "show dogs"? How do people who claim to be dedicated to "rescue" and pretend to be animal welfare advocates manage to ignore what right under their noses? Why do virtually ALL of the pit bull advocates tolerate, protect, and enable the "dogmen"?
Anyone who has lurked on that forum, and who knows anything about the world of dogfighting, knows exactly how to read between the lines, and what these people are talking about. This is felony animal cruelty, and these "educational communities" have welcomed the backyard breeders and dog fighters with open arms.
Where the hell are the REAL animal welfare advocates? What is wrong with the true dog lovers in this country, that we tolerate this type of in-your-face sadistic cruelty by pretending we don't see it when its right in front of us?
| 12/12/2008 7:36 PM |
The dogs -- 62 adults and 65 puppies -- are being housed in undisclosed locations. The dogs will be held as evidence pending a court order or a trial. Authorities are describing the seizure of 127 dogs as "gigantic."
| 12/12/2008 11:01 PM |
these sick twisted psychopathic old timers with admitted dog fighting in their pasts expect us to believe that they have suddenly given up the sport they are so passionate about because it is ILLEGAL?
they either are NOTHING like the dogs that they admire or they are liars.
spend anytime on these forums and you will find many discussions about "game" and what exactly it means.
gameness all comes down to not giving up even in the the face of the most extreme adversity. game means death before quitting. and now all of sudden these fucktards want us to believe that just because this sport that they are so dedicated to has become illegal, they are all going to QUIT?
so, are these "dogmen" truly cowards that use dogs to make up for their own inadequacies? or are they liars and still fighting their dogs?
| 12/13/2008 6:16 AM |
". This is topped off with a voice over at the web page that promotes "stopping BSL"
THESE ARE THE KINDS OF PEOPLE THAT BEST FRIENDS, ASPCA, AND BAD RAP ARE HELPING!!
All of these "humane" groups activities to oppose BSL are only hurting the dogs, and helping the dogfighters hurt more dogs
Why don't they see this? These "humane" groups are helping animal abusers!
It's like child welfare charities declaring that kiddie porn is free speech, and should be allowed. That would be helping the child molesters and pornographers hurt more children
Well, that is EXACTLY what Best Friends, ASPCA, Bad Rap, and the rest are doing- they are opposing BSL and HELPING ANIMAL ABUSERS abuse more animals!!!
The propaganda that these groups use to oppose BSL even comes from the dogfighters and breeders. These humane groups are being used like pawns for the dogfighting industry
Bad Rap even works for the breeders opposing things like breeder licensing and spay/neuter laws
THEY ARE HELPING THE DOGFIGHTERS!!!
It gets to the point that one has to ask, are they getting money from the breeding lobbies? Were they bought off?
| 12/13/2008 6:28 AM |
And that is so true- dogfighters are operating in PLAIN SIGHT!!
They call themselves "show dog breeders," "pulling dog breeders," "working dog breeders," "hunting dog breeders," "responsible" breeders,
They form "dog owner advocacy groups"
They claim they take their dog to "dog shows"
They claim that they just "love the breed," or are breeding pit bulls just to sell.
THEY ARE DOGFIGHTERS, and they use these false fronts to put off authorities, humane groups, community, anyone who comes sniffing around and asks questions
Lots of people knew that Michael Vick was breeding and fighting pit bulls, but he just gave the same story that he was "just breeding to sell" and he was left alone for a long time
These dog fighters take advantage of the minimal (or no) regulation on the dog breeding industry.
To sell online, they don't even have to get licensed!! NOTHING!!!
When breeders don't have to be licensed and inspected, when they can do what they want with no rules, it's EASY to run a dogfighting operation!!
And that is why all these breeder lobbies work so hard to oppose any kind of regulation on the breeding industry whatsoever
The AKC has an entire "legislative" division which JUST lobbies to oppose any regulation (including regulation against puppy mills! The AKC makes money from puppy mills)
The American Dog Owners Association, UKC, fights to keep breeding unregulated and underground
That's why they oppose things like mandatory spay neuter laws- BECAUSE BREEDERS WOULD HAVE TO GET LEGAL AND GET LICENSED!!
Breeders want to operate in the darkness with no control, oversight, nothing. They have gotten away with so much by keeping breeding unregulated- puppy mills, cheating on taxes, abusing dogs for profit, spreading disease and illness, and DOG FIGHTING!!!!!!!
| 12/13/2008 6:41 AM |
The dog fighter breeders try to convince the public that dog fighting is just a bunch of ghetto kids on a street corner, breeding informally, and using pit bull "mixes"
The heart of the dog fighting INDUSTRY is the "top" breeders, with kennels, organized fights, underground transportation systems to ship the dog around to fights, dog REGISTRIES!!
Dog fighting IS all these "show" breeders that claim they are "reputable" and "responsible"
This is a big money industry, and they don't want anyone looking around and finding out how they work
Dog fighting is ORGANIZED CRIME
So the dog fighters try to claim dog fighting is just a bunch of poor ghetto kids in hopes that America will look the other way, stop caring, get their attention OFF these big Southern dog fighting kennels that have been running for generations, and go hassle the kids in the projects
They want to talk about racism? Well, that's some pit bull industry racism. Try to get the media to blame the "black guys." While the heavily white Southern dog fighting industry, and its associates across the country, keeps humming along.
And the disgusting is, I've seen some nice, white, suburban veterinarians or pit advocacy people using the same tactic- pit bulls are just being picked on by some black guys in the ghetto, who decided one day to just latch onto pit bulls, who were nanny and family dogs, and persecute them. BALONEY! There's no acknowledgement of the very white, organized pit bull breeding for fighting that has been going on for the past couple hundred years.
| 12/13/2008 6:47 AM |
So clearly this guy has been making HUGE amounts of money and not reporting any of it to tax authorities, state or federal
Is there a tax investigation going on? Racketeering? Money laundering?
Will someone collect the reward http://www.irs.gov/individuals/article/0,,id=106778,00.html
| 12/13/2008 7:39 AM |
Hate to say it..But this guy probably gets off.
The HSUS needs to get on the stick and start working with the USDA on these cases. The Animal Fighting ACT of 2007 made interstate trafficking of fighting animals a federal felony, passing the US Senate by 99-0.
Local prosecutors seem to have little success prosecuting fighting dog suppliers on dogfighting charges.
The USDA has been AWOL except for the high profile Vick case.
| 12/13/2008 9:29 AM |
But why are so many websites dedicated to "responsible pit bull ownership" safe harbors for these people? Its interesting how so many people on these forums will rant and rave about Michael Vick...he was ghetto trash, and amateur, not a real "dogman". The simpletons involved in "pit bull rescue" have convinced themselves that the dogmen were "gentlemen", and that they treated the dogs "like family"....that they had a true "love for the breed".
The people involved in pit bull advocacy are either outright criminals...dog fighters....or they are back yard breeders...or delusional young women with emotional problems who are willing to overlook sadistic animal cruelty as long as the dog fighter claims loyalty to the breed. If any of you posters have ever seen a pit bull dispatch another dog in an unprovoked attack, (I have) you will know that the excerpts from that book are CORRECT.
| 12/13/2008 9:45 AM |
I would also like to add that this website is the ONLY place online where these types of discussions are able to be held. Pit bull owners, breeders, and advocates have influenced virtually all the popular pet dog forums on-line...most moderators, curiously, are either pit bull breeders, owners, or involved in "rescue". I have seen dogfighters enter these forums, only to be ignored or even welcomed. One unmoderated dog-lovers forum actually had the Latin Kings gang members come in to advertise their pit bulls for stud.
If you are a pet owner looking for advice and help in training your dog on-line, you had better swear your loyalty to the pit bull breed before you join virtually any forum...if you DARE express an opinion that pit bulls should be regulated, or are pro BSL, the moderators will ban you, or the pit bull fans will threaten and harass you until you leave the forum.
I have seen individuals with strong opinions regarding the regulation of pit bulls threatened physically by men claiming to be "breeders" online. There are currently people involved in dogfighting posing as pet dog owners, posting in popular pet dog forums. These are dangerous criminals, and the moderators ignore them, or even welcome and encourage them. Many dog savvy posters have left popular on-line communities, because we do not want to expose any personal or identifying information to these criminals.
Under the guise of humane advocacy, pit bull owners and rescuers definitely enable the dogfighetrs and breeders to continue making money breeding and fighting these animals.Public discourse on the matter has been controlled by the pit bull fanatics. I thank God this website exists, so that true animal lovers can discuss these issues.
| 12/13/2008 6:20 PM |
anonymous is dead on about general pet forums and how pit bull people have taken over the internet to spread their message.
I honestly believe that there are many well-intentioned animal lovers that support pit bulls/oppose BSL and have no clue about any of this stuff. They would not believe you if you told them. And they would never do their own research into it because they don't want to be proven wrong.
| 12/13/2008 10:54 PM |
it is amusing to read the gamedoggers bash john goodwin for his alf past while in the same fight bust threads they swear up and down that the dogmen they idolize no longer engage in their cherished blood sport. the old time dogmen who above all else admire the trait of gameness.
apparently john should be persecuted for past crimes but not the serial killing family of ed & chris.
| 12/14/2008 1:00 AM |
The Complete Gamedog: A Guide to Breeding and Raising the American Pit Bull Terrier
by Ed and Chris Faron
THESE ARE THE RAMBLINGS OF MADMEN. WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WATCHES THIS STUFF AND IS NOT MOVED TO TEARS OR VOMIT OR RAGE.
| 12/14/2008 2:16 AM |
The AKC is certainly something else. They have enormous power and influence. Combine the ACK with the following bed partners and you're looking at the task of moving Mount Fuji: Breeders, the AVMA and the general pet industry lobby (the pet industry does $40 billion in business annually). How does one even approach overcoming such a combined force?
The question of "moving Mount Fuji" was an actual question asked by Microsoft and Google to potential new employees during the DotCom era. So there is an answer to the issue. But it will mandate much out-of-the-box thinking and a giant stroke of luck. For a variety of reasons, people "woke up to Obama." How do we get them to wake up to these issues?
| 12/14/2008 9:03 AM |
Jersey, thank you, I am glad to see I am not alone in understanding this. I could honestly post links that show popular members of several well-known online pet forums...who are also posting in the dogfighting forums, listing fighting pedigrees of their bloodlines (2XW, ROM), running "yards", and websites advertising their "yards",all anonymous, because they are criminals and not legitimate dog breeders.
Dog savy posters often leave these on-line communities, but many naive pet owners don't understand the language or history of the game dogs, so they don't realize that the poster they are posting with is a criminal who engages in felony animal abuse. Even when the mods are alerted, nothing happens, because so many mods are breeders/owners of pit bulls. I don't know how the owners and moderators of these sites sleep at night...they must have no conscience.
I would love to find a safe, "pit bull free" on-line communiy of dog lovers, but have had no luck so far.
| 12/14/2008 2:55 PM |
well, well, well, look at page 8
"'Gameness or Style' was another great article, Jack. You never cease to impress me. I honestly can't even begin to tell you how much I've learned from you over the past few years. Two words: Fucking brilliant. I'll be ordering your book in the next couple days or so; I'm looking forward to some good educational reading. Would you mind if I posted your article on the online museum www.pitarchive.org? We're also looking for other significant individuals for our board of advisors. Tom Garner, Dr. Anna Grimshaw, from Emory University in Atlanta, and Terry Williams (AADR)are already members of the board, and I'd be honored to have you as a fourth. I'd be happy to provide you with any and all details. I'll be eagerly awaiting your response. Thanks, and once again, great article!"
www.pitarchive.org, jere and rocky alexander's tribute to serial killers and their tools.
| 12/14/2008 5:40 PM |
To above....wow. What do you suppose you would find if you googled some more of the names and kennels in the "testimonials" section?
What cracks me up about the APBT "dog shows" is that convicted dogfighters like Richard Stratton are the judges in their so-called "confirmation" trials. Please.
But these shows do serve as a handy cover for all these dogfighters to get together and sell dogs/exchange information.
| 12/14/2008 7:21 PM |
These psycho's need to be crushed!
all the well known dogmens need to have all the dogs taken away and destroyed, it's harsh but nee,ded when you wipe out the major bloodlines of these dogs, you wipe out the breeders who have been creating and continuing this cruelty.
I am glad to see the authorities go after all the big name kennels first, it may not stop the cruelty entirely and there will always be sadists out in the world, but it will make a huge dent in the dog fighting world.
'Every journey starts with a step' we are half way there allready.
| 12/14/2008 9:59 PM |
Another club that is front for dog fighters.
Judge for march show Ginny Clifton arrested at dog fight in Nov.
Judge for August Sherri Self is the wife of this guy.
| 12/15/2008 12:51 AM |
Very sad that dogster has been overrun with dog fighting scum. I am pretty sure this clown defending Ed Faron and claiming to be "Jason" is really game-dog marty.
| 5/18/2009 11:02 PM |
Old dog men are not men, they are losers that have lost at everything in life. They have no power in this world as real men so they try to believe that fighting dogs, innocent dogs, makes them big men. What a bunch of losers? It is obvious that the mentality is very low, I wonder if they have wives? For the few that do, these women must have very low IQ's also. Do you take your kids to dog fights so they can prepared for a wonderful life of raising game dogs??? Dogs living on a chain for life, in a scummy barrel, no human touch except to train to fight ot going to a fight? I can not get into my head how much of a scum bag you must be to do this????