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Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/27/2009 7:53 PM  |  Flag  
Well, well, well. Seems Jasmine, the former Vick pit bull that was rescued and adpoted by none other than the president of "Recycle Love".... Catalina Stirling...was just hit & killed by a car in traffic....Ms Stirling not suprisingly has refused comment. Perhaps she knew an inquiring reporter would ask the obvious - why would the president of a Pit Bull Rescue firm, of all people, have a pit bull, that was involved in fighting, running loose in the street? Jasmine, the pit bull, was on the cover of Sports Illustrated in 2008. Now she covers the 1300 block of Elm Street and part of the radiator of a 2007 Ford Fusion. So much for responsible owners.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/27/2009 7:54 PM  |  Flag  
Ahh...Catalina ARTIST...has been put in charge of rehabilitating pit bulls. Because, most likely, she believes she has "magical qualities" that allow her to read their minds.

But, not to worry...the Vick dog rescuers have found ways to test the dogs safety, and help rehabilitate them; they simply test them out on the unsuspecting public. The Sports Illustrated Article explains how...

"During a walk in Golden Gate Park one day, Jonny was mobbed by a group of kids. Cohen wasn't sure how Jonny would react to all those little hands thrust at him, but the dog loved it. He played with the children, and Cohen realized Jonny had an affinity for them."

See? The pit bull rescuer "wasn't sure" how the dog would react, but what the heck? He gave it a try....had it gone wrong, well....whats one less kid in the world, anyway?

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/27/2009 7:55 PM  |  Flag  
According to that rescue's web site, it was founded by Sallyann Jennings:

Apparently Ms. Jennings doesn't care if other people's children got attacked by one of these pit bulls

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/27/2009 7:58 PM  |  Flag  
Does this sound like a rehabilitated dog? Think of the money and time that was WASTED by this Stirling that could have saved hundreds of LOVING dogs instead of a basket case, unplaceable dog that Stirling ended up killing (inhumanely)

And those loving dogs got euthanized so Jasmine could suffer, thanks to this Stirling's ego.

"Despite a promising start, Jasmine had a long way to go. For months she sat in her little cage in Stirling's house and refused to come out. "I had to pick her up and carry her outside so she could go to the bathroom," Stirling says. "She wouldn't even stand up until I had walked away. There's a little hole in the yard, and once she was done, she would go lie in the hole." It was three or four months before Jasmine would exit the cage on her own, and then only to go out, relieve herself and lie in the hole. ..

Jasmine has come far, but she still has many fears. Around people she almost always walks with her head and tail down. She won't let anyone approach her from behind, and she spends most of the day in her pen, sitting quietly, the open door yawning before her. Stirling works with her endlessly. "I feel like what I do for her is so little compared with what she does for me," she says, welling up"

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/27/2009 8:03 PM  |  Flag  
[Left by P.]

From the description, this dog,in my opinion, was not adoptable and a definite candidate for fear biting, if nothing else. Can't believe what I am hearing about this. I've done rescue for decades and these descriptions would be cause for euthanizing a dog in my world.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/27/2009 9:19 PM  |  Flag  
There was a SECOND Vick dog that died at Best Friends. It swallowed a toy, there were complications, and the dog died. This was back earlier this year, I think.

Blogger bitbypit  |  8/27/2009 11:58 PM  |  Flag  
We had a problem with our search engine for most of the day and could not locate some of the needed blog posts. The search engine problem has been resolved, as well as the issue of the Best Friends' dog Denzel, who apparently did not die but ingested a toy that led to surgery.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/28/2009 4:38 AM  |  Flag  
Broke containment...Classic Pit bull behavior.

One good thing about the Vick dogs is that the Federal Governement forced the rescues to cover them with $1 Million liability insurance for the life of the dogs....I'm in favor of this example for the rest of the nation's pit bulls during their short lives.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/28/2009 6:18 AM  |  Flag  
The three deceased dogs came with almost $60,000 in tax exempt dowry money...begging the question:

What happens to the unused doggie support money?

Can it be used for medical bills of Pit Bull mauling victims?

How about vet bills for unlucky neighborhood pets attack by Pit bulls?

Can it be used by Animal Control orgs to compensate for the fiscal drain of the pit bull community?

Where's da money?!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/28/2009 9:36 AM  |  Flag  
And even this naive woman Stirling admits the fallacies of "rehabilititation" that people like Ledy VanKavage and organizations like Best Friends avow to collect donations and manipulate the courts

"Jasmine doesn't know about any of that as she sits on the back deck of Stirling's house. Stirling kneels next to her, gently stroking the dog's back. "I used to think any dog could be rehabbed if you gave it food, exercise and love," she says, "but I know now it's not totally true. Jasmine's happy, but she'll never be like other dogs."

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/28/2009 9:38 AM  |  Flag  
And thus these pit nutters have proved Peta's point, despite the fact that even though Peta cared more about the dogs than the egos of naive women, these nutters will still call Peta "killers"

Who is the killer, Stirling?

"Still, it's Jasmine, lying in her kennel, who embodies the question at the heart of the Vick dogs' story. Was it worth the time and effort to save these 47 dogs when millions languish in shelters? Charmers such as Zippy and Leo and Jonny Justice seem to provide the obvious answer, but even for these dogs any incidence of aggression, provoked or not, will play only one way in the headlines. It's a lifelong sentence to a very short leash. PETA's position is unchanged. "Some [of the dogs] will end up with something resembling a normal life," Shannon says, "but the chances are very slim, and it's not a good risk to take"

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/28/2009 9:42 AM  |  Flag  
The quesation also is, what has happened to some of the other Vick dogs that have gotten handed around to anonymous people and "groups?"

How many others are dead? What exactly is happening to them?

The court placed no controls on tracking these dogs and essentially threw them to the winds.

On the advice of extremists who have a history of problems dealing with these dogs themselves.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/28/2009 4:34 PM  |  Flag  
"Jasmine has come far, but she still has many fears. Around people she almost always walks with her head and tail down. She won't let anyone approach her from behind, and she spends most of the day in her pen, sitting quietly, the open door yawning before her. Stirling works with her endlessly. "I feel like what I do for her is so little compared with what she does for me," she says, welling up"

It's that quote at the end right there that tells you everything you need to know about these so-called "rescue angels". At the end of the day, it's not about what they do for the dogs. It's about how doing it makes them feel. They don't give a damn that the dogs are suffering and broken as long as they get that warm fuzzy feeling at the end of the day. People like that are mentally ill and have no business owning any dog, much less dangerously aggressive fighting dogs.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/29/2009 2:39 AM  |  Flag  
Allegedly Jasmine jumped a six foot fence to escape...Hard to believe a rescue of that nature wouldn't have a covered kennel.

Another data point....

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/29/2009 9:29 AM  |  Flag let me get this straight...a federal judge was convinced to sign over ex-fighting dogs to various pit bull "experts"; the Bad Rap folks...two artists who do pit bull rescue, no formal background/training in dog training/behavior; "Recycled Love's" Catalina Sterling, another artist/rescue volunteer with no real credentials; "All or Nothing Pit Bull Rescue", founded by a "tatoo artist" you see a pattern here?

One dog from All or Nothing was placed in a "foster home", where it got loose, and got hit by a car. Jasmine was being kept in a yard with a six foot fence, which a pit bull can easily jump( you would think the pit bull "experts" would know that). The idea that these dogs have been evaluated by "experts", and are being properly managed in order to keep the public safe is an out right lie. These dogs went to the lunatic fringe of the humane movement... no respectible rescue groups or dog trainers wanted them. The liability was too great, and most normal people involved in dog rescue would rather spend their time and resources on the many adoptable dogs who face being euthanized, rather than a few high risk dogs that most likely will never be entirely trustworthy pets.

Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of the Vick Dog rescue is the fact that several of these groups, to gain publicity, rushed to have a few of these dogs certified for "pet therapy", solely to provide more "proof" of how inherently "sweet" pit bulls are. Instead of going slow with the dogs, taking lots of time, waiting for some of them to reach sexual maturity (about 3 years old), and proofing behaviors in various places/ a real dog trainer would do.....they practices basic command drills and rushed to get their CGC's from pit-friendly evaluators. This was done NOT because any of these people care about people in long-term care facilities or hospitals; it was done for publicity. It was more about creating an image for themselves and the dogs than about anything else....and interestingly, I am unaware of any long-term care facilites that are admitting publicly to patients families that Vicks ex-pit dogs are visiting their residents!

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/29/2009 10:28 AM  |  Flag  
For the courts to allow dogs like this to go to people like this is unacceptable.

No sane person takes on ex fighting dogs.

What is happening is that people and other pets are being put at risk by the courts catering to money-hungry pseudo-charities.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/29/2009 5:26 PM  |  Flag  
One Vick dog is a "therapy" dog at the Mayo clinic. I wonder whose decision that was, and what therapy dog group certified him and his handler.

Blogger P.  |  8/30/2009 2:31 PM  |  Flag  
I've been doing rescue for 50 years now. And 22 of those years in Southern California. I know a lot of rescue groups and only two that I know will take pits and some not even pit mixes. That tells me something. I only know Tia of VillaLobos who will take pits and one other lady but she is a big fan of DogsBite and agrees with BSL. I do hear of those who will take pits but they have all been hoarders rather than rescues, but operate under the guise of "no kill" rescues.

Anonymous Anonymous  |  8/31/2009 8:12 AM  |  Flag  
Thanks, P. for your perspective. My experience has been that the most efective, dedicated rescue workers want to help the many, many highly adoptable dogs out there facing euthanasia; they measure success by the number of dogs they can place in ideal, forever homes. They don't want ex-fighting dogs, or dogs with extreme temperament problems, because if the placement goes wrong, and the dog hurts someone, it could destroy the reputation of the rescue group, and undo all their hard work helping dogs.

What's amazing to me is that they placed this EXTREMELY fearful a home with a toddler and preschooler. I don't know of any rescue organizations that will place a dog with problems in a home with very small children...its a recipe for disaster. Most of the rescues in my area won't place a dog in a home with children under five, for a variety of reasons...even dogs that have NO problems and like children. It is very concerning that the "experts" involved in pit bull rescue have no standards or protocols for placing extremely stressed dogs, who have not been socialized with children, and whom are at high risk for being fear biters, into a home with toddlers/preschools.

Blogger P.  |  9/01/2009 2:08 PM  |  Flag  
It's called money or the "Savior" complex or hoarding. This has many names, none of which are the right names for the right reasons. The groups made money off of the suckers for a sob story. And I will not place dogs in a household with children under 6, and I prefer 8 years old. This has nothing to do with the dogs as much as it has to do with their realization that they can promote themselves for the almight dollar.

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