Friday, December 5, 2008
From left: Jessie Jaymes, Carl Martinez, attacking and dying pit bulls.
Pit Bulls Had Killed Before
UPDATE 12/05/08: Reporter Holly Zuluaga took the video to the city to learn why a wheelchair bound neighbor must still live in fear. Tami Bunker, legal assistant to the city attorney, said the video was a concern. (Zuluaga reminds viewers that the first time she asked the city and animal control about the incident, both said their hands were tied.) Bunker now says that the City of Richland has existing code on record that states that if a dog kills another animal, anywhere, it can be declared "dangerous."
Unsurprisingly, animal control said they visited the same house earlier this year after two pit bulls turned on another one killing it. One of the attacking dogs in that incident was recently the victim -- as seen in the first video -- and is now dead too. Animal control said that because no one witnessed the first attack, the case was dropped. Angela Zilar of animal control says that Richland is currently adjusting their animal codes to make them simpler and hopes to have them ready by next month.
The city prosecutor is currently reviewing the tape to see if the four attacking dogs should be declared "dangerous."
12/04/08: Pit Bull Owner in the Clear
Richland, WA - DogsBite.org wishes we did not have to show you this. But one must see to believe what several pit bulls ganged up on another dog results in. The twist about this story is that the attack happened in the pit bull owner's backyard. The owner had five pit bulls and four of the dogs ganged up on one pit bull and tore it apart. A neighbor captured the event on video and shared it with the local news team. The owner of the pit bulls, Carl Martinez, blames a neighbor's dog for "riling up" his pack of pit bulls.
Neighbors called police, and they referred it to animal control. But animal control and the city said their hands are tied. The fight didn't break any laws, because it happened in the owner's backyard. To the horror of neighbors, the attacking pit bulls can't be deemed dangerous. Jessie Jaymes, who is wheelchair bound, is afraid. "I live here and I have to deal with it everyday, and I'm sick of it, I might end up having to move, I don't want to move, I like my house, but it's not worth it if something happens to my dogs or me."
Jaymes is separated by her neighbor with a fence filled with holes.
Related ZUPF video
11/24/08: Pit Bulls Attack Second Dog, Killing It in Miramar
11/023/08: Fourth Dog in Jackson, Mississippi Killed by Pit Bulls
| 12/04/2008 4:08 AM |
This owner needs to be charged with animal cruelty! Pit bull owners know NOT to leave their dogs together when the owner is not home. Pit bulls frequently ATTACK each other when left unattended. Can you imagine having this guy as your neighbor?
| 12/04/2008 4:10 AM |
The ethereal A/C reps are refusing to enforce their own dangerous dog law...not surprising since they thwarted pit bull regulations last year.
"Dangerous Animal" means any animal that
has inflicted severe injury on a human being without provocation, or
has killed a domestic animal without provocation, or
has been previously found to be potentially dangerous, the owner having received notice of such and the animal again aggressively bites, attacks, or endangers the safety of humans or domestic animals.
Once declared dangerous, registration fees, enclosure and insurance requirements kick in.
| 12/04/2008 8:39 AM |
I guess the owner never heard of crate-and-rotate.
My husband was watching a show about cars or motorcycles or something, like a reality show about a garage. And of course these tough guys had pits living in the garage. One episode mentioned on how they locked up one night and when they opened in the morning 2 of the pit bulls ganged up and killed the third over night. Like it was no big deal. Where were the authorities then?
| 12/04/2008 11:52 AM |
"He blames the neighbor's dogs for riling up his pack."
Yeah, those dreaded cocker spaniels have really kicked it up a notch. Now they're tricking pit bulls into killing each other!
Stop the madness! Cocker spaniels must be regulated now!!!
| 12/04/2008 11:55 AM |
Oh, dear Lord. That video was so disturbing. That dog was still alive and breathing, and it was being torn apart. These animals are a genetic abberation...I have many, many friends who have multiple dogs, of many different breeds, and have NEVER once heard of a dog killing a pack mate.
One thing is for sure....we have yet another sociopathic punk, who is probably breeding these dogs, defiantly putting his neighbors at risk. What amazes me is that you can really see the breakdown of neighborhoods and community when talking about the punks-with-pit-bulls problem. Growing up in an urban neighborhood, 40+ years ago, the men in the neighborhood would have gotten together and "taken care of it". They would never have let women and children be terrorized like that...the punk would have come home one day, and the dogs would have simply been gone.
A woman once told me about growing up with her father, an ex-marine sharpshooter, in a neighborhood where a white trash neighbor let his vicious dog run loose. The dog finally bit another neighbors child. It was found dead the next day, with a bullet in it. No one dared say a word about it, and the white trash family never let their dogs run loose again.
The fact that neighbors are not standing with this poor handicapped woman and demanding authorities do something disturbs me.....a group of angry constituents can be a powerful political force, but one person alone can't do it.
| 12/04/2008 12:16 PM |
This punk had the balls to answer the door and let his pit bulls loose in the front yard...no collar.
Gee whizz...I thought pit bulls only fought to "please their owners", and they had to be "trained" to fight. That would mean that the owner is a dogfighter, and has just committed a felony. He should be in jail!
I say, someone drop a dime to the IRS....wonder what his tax returns look like. Wait...he probably doesn't file tax returns! He is probably part of the "underground economy". I'm guessing he doesn't vote, either. The politicians better wake up and figure out on which side their bread is buttered....no one has ever been voted out of office for protecting women and children from the neighborhood drug dealer.
| 12/04/2008 4:44 PM |
Can this video get put on YouTube so that people can better understand what the issues are?
If possible, it should really stay on the homepage of dogsbite so that people really SEE
| 12/04/2008 6:11 PM |
The police and courts are now falling under the jurisdiction of the social workers and animal control has been taken over by dogfighters.
THE FACT THAT CARL THE PUNKFUCKTARD MARTINEZ CAN NOT BE CHARGED IS AN ABSOLUTE OUTRAGE!
THIS IS CALLED NEGLECT. CHARGE HIM WITH FELONY ANIMAL CRUELTY!!!
Jessie, get a gun NOW!
| 12/04/2008 6:19 PM |
"Pit owners see this kind of backyard piticide as a natural improvement of their breeding stock, and deem the aggressor and killer as more "worthy.” Good riddance to the loser."
DITTO, SAVES ON THE DOG FOOD BILL.
"The owner of the pit bulls, Carl Martinez, blames a neighbor's dog for "riling up" his pack of pit bulls."
ME THINKS HE HAS BEEN BREATHING IN TOO MUCH METH LAB FUMES.
| 12/04/2008 7:12 PM |
What is wrong with the dog's skin color? It's like an organ burst and the animal is bleeding internally. I realize some of the coloring is dirt...the animal almost looks skinned and I don't think that is possible. Meanwhile, his playmates appear to be having a ball. THIS IS THE DIFFERENCE. Pit bulls LIKE TO FIGHT. Fighting places them at their genetic prime. The playmates (killers) are doing what they've been selectively bred to do.
| 12/05/2008 2:43 AM |
My Spidey sense is tingling that another Pit Sleeper Cell has infiltrated an A/C organization.
Richland contracts out their A/C services and the organization indemnifies them against liability. Probably why they they couold care less that their own dangerous dog law is not being enforced. It costs them nothing.
I starting to believe that public safety functions should not be contracted out.
| 12/05/2008 8:29 AM |
Follow up information on this story indicates that this is not the first piticide for this pack and this dog owner. Animal control states, per follow up news video, that earlier this year they were called to this address. Two pits attacked and killed a third dog. Interestingly, one of the attacking pits was the very dog killed in the recent video. So much for the "neighbor's dog riled up my pack".
| 12/05/2008 12:35 PM |
"Richland contracts out their A/C services and the organization indemnifies them against liability."
Richland is indemnified? Or the organization?
Someone here can be sued- the question is whom.
And absolutely the problem is that Animal control should not get contracted out to private groups. Those groups seem to either be the dog fighters/breeders or the No Kill nuts, or BOTH as we saw with Jere Alexander (because they seem to have blended together now)
| 12/05/2008 3:12 PM |
Indemnified means that as per the contract with the A/C organization, the the A/C org will maintain a certain amount of insurance coverage thus "protecting" the city in case of lawsuit. The city pays for it when it awards the contract.
It is outsourcing accountability.
| 12/05/2008 4:35 PM |
Jesus, Mary and Joseph...
"The city prosecutor is currently reviewing the tape to see if the four attacking dogs should be declared "dangerous.""
How much "reviewing" do they need to do? The damn tape is only a few minutes long. Any sane person could determine those dogs are dangerous immediately by simply watching the tape. Why all the tippy toeing around this issue? Did city officials just blow off the neighbor because she was:
1. a woman
2. in a wheelchair
Or are the AC employees pit bull owners? Are some of the folks at City Hall pit bull owners or breeders? Because city officials really look like assholes to be dragging their feet on this.
| 12/05/2008 5:01 PM |
No kidding! The city attorney appears to be Thomas Lampson:
It appears that problems with pit bulls in the city is well-known, so much so that a breed-specific ordinance was proposed in 2007.
| 12/05/2008 5:04 PM |
Another pit nutter has shown up to play in my background. Makes me nuts.
I am a certified trainer, I specialize in aggression, specifically dog-directed aggression in canines, and Pit Bulls specifically. I have 20+ years experience training dogs, and 14+ years experience with Pit Bulls. Anyone who is speaking on this subject without proper education or significant experience handling PIt Bulls and dealing with aggression is simply speaking of their own OPINIONS and not speaking from EXPERIENCE and from a place of science and fact. ____All dogs have fight drive. All dogs can fight to the death. One dog or dogs ganging up on another to the point of killing one dog is not at all unheard of or uncommon. It even happens in wolf packs. Dogs are predators, they have the inherant tools to kill. As soon as humans collectively come to grips with the fact that, as much as we love our dogs, they ARE animals capable of doing significant damage, the better. Instead, a single breed of dog is demonized and made out to be a monster - there is nothing all that shocking about a group of obviously untrained, irresponsibly owned, unsupervised dogs getting into a fight with one dog winding up dead. Stop making this about breed. It's about normal, natural dog behavior and owner irresponsibility - PERIOD!__
REPORTPOST REPLY» 6 hours ago
For some information on dog bites, attacks, aggression and so on that is grounded in reality, please see:
For information on Pit Bulls: www.realpitbull.com
Speaking of OPINIONS from EXPERTS...
A 30 yr old woman with 20 plus yrs experience training dogs and 14 plus years with pit bull experience.
Let's see trained first dog at the age of 17 and became a certified pet dog trainer in 2007. Wait... let me do the math... Yep, 20+ yrs!!!
Whew! And I thought I was going to catch another liar like last month. Some crazy woman in Mississippi claiming to be a veterinarian for 30+ yrs. Turns out Julie Perry is only 29 yr old! I didn't need a calculator for that one.
I used to have respect for you Mary. I thought your web site was very well done, very informative. I thought that at least you were very honest about the breed. You just are not honest about yourself. Once someone lies, nothing they say can trusted again.
For anyone who thinks they want to report this comment, I have this to say:
I am truthful, I am civil, and I am sharing my knowledge with those less fortunate people who might be sucked in by "the experts".
For some information on the so-called EXPERT grounded in reality and not internet fantasy, please see:
| 12/05/2008 5:06 PM |
Gotta a hunch that she will pull that resume, so here ya go:
Mary L. Harwelik-- Profile & Credentials:
Trained her first dog in 1985.
Trained under no less than 5 obedience instructors.
Assisted three trainers in their classes before beginning to take on professional clients in 2000.
Took professional training and behavior clients between 2000-2008
Has worked as a dog and cat groomer.
Began riding horses in 1988; mainly huntseat equitation & Western pleasure; competed locally. Some horse training.
Volunteer work with Jenkinson's Aquariam in Pt. Pleasant NJ, 2002-03.
Training/Behavior work for Best Friends Pet Adoption, NJ.
Training/behavior work for People For Animals, NJ.
Dog handling & training instruction for volunteers for People For Animals, NJ.
Dog handling & training instruction for volunteers for Animal Adoption Center, NJ.
Instructor for Gimme A Paw Dog Training School, Hawthorne NJ since 2007.
Founder/Director of The REAL Pit Bull (started in 1997 as a website, and has since blossomed into a full-fledged non profit organization).
Is the training/behavior counselor for The REAL Pit Bull, counseling shelters, owners and the public on proper training, behavior modification and Pit Bull behavior.
Runs PeaceableCanines.com, a website devoted to education and promoting peaceful, humane handling and training of dogs.
AKC conformation competitor.
Reiki Practitioner, certified through Reiki Blessings Academy.
Associate's Degree in Psychology (2003)
Certified CGC Evaluator (2004)
Certified Reiki Level 3 Practitioner (2007)
CCPDT Certified Pet Dog Trainer (2007)
Introduction to the Pit Bull (free booklet available from www.realpitbull.com).
The Essential Pit Bull: A Comprehensive Guide to Understanding & Evaluating Pit Bull Temperament.
Dog Titles/Certificates Earned:
Seminars, Workshops, & Lectures Attended:
Kellie Snider & Dr Rosales-Ruiz: Constructional Aggression Treatment--2008
Nancy Williams: Physiological Measurements & Research Advances in Training & Rehab of Aggressive Dogs-- 2008
Reiki School of America: Reiki Fundamentals (2 days)--2006
Brenda Aloff: Aggression In Dogs (2 days)--2006
Clicker Expo (3 days)--2006
Dr. Pamela Reid: Aggression Seminar--2006
Karen Pryor: Basic Clicker Training Lecture--2002
Animal Welfare Federation of NJ Conference--2002
Sue Sternberg: Shelter Dog Evaluations--2000
Penelope Smith: Animal Communication Mini-Workshop--1999
Website Contributions, Media & Articles:
Dog Tips--"Watch Me" Article with Contribution by M. Harwelik
Celebration of Animals, 2001
EDBA "A Wretched Breed?" Article with quote by M. Harwelik
Pit Bulls Found in Dog Fighting Ring
Bad Rap--M. Harwelik article link
GPCA--"Pet Shops, Puppymills & Why You Should Avoid Them", report by M. Harwelik
Interviewed for & quoted in the 2005 Bully Breeds Training Secrets annual edition by Fancy Publications.
Pit Bull History Article by M. Harwelik Reprinted on Animal Alliance website
Quoted in Yahoo! Answers
Resource for article: Pit Bulls, Friend or Foe?
The REAL Pit Bull--Founder/Director; Training & Behavior Counselor
Pit Bull Owners Alliance (group is now defunct)--Contributor Codes of Ethics
American Kennel Club--Competition; CGC Evaluator
Association of Pet Dog Trainers--Member
(I saved it as pdf just in case...)
| 12/05/2008 6:58 PM |
Felony...you are my hero!
But, but...she has an associates degree in psychology! (she won't say from where; probably a correspondence course)
And, hey, she is a certifed Reiki practitioner, which, as we all know, immediately qualifies you as an animal behaviorist.
She also won't give any specifics in her resume...because if she did, she could be called out as a liar. There is no proof of anything there, she could have easily fabricated all of it. She won't say which obediance instructers she worked with, because they might deny ever hearing of her, she won't say what schools she went to. She has no real accomplishments as a trainer....she only claims one title, aacd, which I have never even heard of....its not a recognized AKC confirmation or performance title.
Another liar, another fraud pit bull "expert" exposed. Good work, Felony.
| 12/05/2008 11:23 PM |
Took me a while but I found it!
I ran across this interview of Mary Harwelik last summer. I book marked it but my pit nutter folder is so big, it is unmanageable.
Don't you just LOVE the sneering gansta pose with her ugly dog.
some of the finer points:
"I started training dogs when I was 7 and went to my first dog training class and graduated at age 8 or 9."
"I've been taking on clients of my own since about 1999 or 2000..."
hmmm taking on clients, yet her resume states she became licensed in 2007! i wonder of her clients knew that.
"I have officially been a Pit Bull addict since 1994 - I brought my first Pit Bull home in Sept, 1994."
Pit bull ownership = pit bull addiction= pit bull exert. And there you have it! 14 yrs of pit bull expertise.
| 12/06/2008 12:20 AM |
City meeting notes. See page three. Pit bull breeders and nuts showed up to bully city officials.
More stupid words from an uneducated city council about "constitutionality" which came right from the PIT BULL AND DOG FIGHTER BREEDER LOBBY THAT WAS CLEARLY DELUGING THEM WITH EMAILS.
Don't these city council members even have a clue that they are getting jerked around by liars who breed and sell pit bulls?
Also note someone complaining about an aggressive pit bull, and police wouldn't even respond to his call.
How long until someone is killed in Richland?
| 12/06/2008 2:35 AM |
Nutter cells infiltrating A/C Depts while the public sleeps seems to be epidemic. One of our favorite nutters, Aggression expert Jim Crosby has just influenced a pit friendly dangerous dog law in Bay County FL.
A dog gets two kills before being declared dangerous....A virtual Pit owner utopia!
Bay County Animal Control answered around 2,700 calls regarding wandering dogs in 2008. There are six dogs in Bay County that are deemed dangerous.
According to Bay County Animal Control, a dog is deemed dangerous after severely biting or mauling a person, killing at least two domestic animals off its owner’s property, or after eye witness testimony claiming the dog consistently charges at people.
After a dog is deemed dangerous, their owner must take out liability insurance in the amount of $100,000. That amount of insurance usually runs a 25-hundred dollar premium. A dangerous dog is not classified by its breed, but strictly by its behavior.
| 12/06/2008 2:47 AM |
Gotta love how this Crosby fellow moves around. He's here, he's there, he's everywhere. He must have taken down the below from his website before he became a whore for pit bull lobbying groups.
First we will look at ‘normal’ canine interaction. Two strange canines interact, and the potential for tension is there. Territory, access to food or reproductive resources, or social dominance are often the source for tensions. Canines have, over time, evolved an extensive vocabulary of body postures and positions, and some vocalizations, that enable two canines to ‘negotiate’ an understanding. The level of negotiation depends on the drive each of the affected canines feels, their own social and reproductive status, and needs for resources. Only rarely do these contacts devolve into physical fights, and when they do the fights are rarely to the death; after all, if every dispute ended in the death or maiming of the animals, the species as a whole would not last long. Canines have clear signals that provide an off button, if you will, that enables the combatants to stop fighting and survive.
Enter now the Pit Bull, and other breeds specifically selected by Man to fight each other. These animals have several concerning behavioral difference from most other canines. When they fight, human intervention has selected for animals that do not turn off, and do not stop fighting until one, or both, are dead. There is no surrender for these animals. A fully submissive body posture is no more than another opportunity for them to disembowel their adversary.
As a corollary to this, these dogs seem to have a shorter negotiation sequence. Many times we hear of a Pit Bull or similar dog that “…just went off…” The expected precursors to a full fight seem to be lacking, much like the quick interactions we see with some teens and young adults these days; one insults another, and the first response is to “…pop a cap…” into the offender. Even popular Pit Bull sites on the Internet admit that fights between Pit Bulls can occur with little or no warning.
...This animal has now learned to manipulate its environment, to its own benefit and sometimes safety, by directing aggressions towards people, with a genetically selected lack of an off button. A bad situation has now become tragically dangerous.
| 12/06/2008 3:23 AM |
Yep...and even though he is employed as the County's A/C Director, he is still running his Aggression Consulting business...available 24/7 for on scene fatality investigations at no charge to the requesting community.
How does that work? No charge?! Who's paying? Dog Lobby groups?!
A possible ethical dilema...
| 12/06/2008 3:38 AM |
Does he do "free fatal dog attack investigations" for any other breed than pit bulls? If he does, I imagine it is a small amount, say 5%. Easy pickings to invalidate him as an "expert witness." I wonder what happened in that Aurora courtroom hearing? Doesn't appear that the judge bought into his testimony...
| 12/06/2008 8:16 AM |
HOLD THE PHONE I SMELL ANOTHER LYING PHONEY!
| 12/06/2008 9:06 AM |
I just went to the link you posted. You REALLY need to make THIS Crosby story its own! Don't leave it hidden in the comments section. I am sure some attorneys will find it useful.
Link it to the Anatomy of a Whitewash story. I really the Pro Mauler Analyst comment. Absolutely brilliant.
| 12/06/2008 11:25 AM |
Felony, one word about all these pit rescue groups who have claimed 501c3 status. I am involved in a small, non-profit, community volunteer group...my local PTO. In the past few years, the laws surrounding non-profits have changed dramatically, requiring much more accountability, and now relying on the world of digital information to force small groups to file tax information. Because of the new department of homeland security, non-profits are being required to keep records and file each year. Years ago, it was pretty loose, and small organizations did not really have to file. But the possibility of terrorists laudering money through fake non-profits has prompted the government to tighten the reigns. It has become a real problem for small, volunteer organizations, who now muct account for every penny, every raffle item, etc.
I would love for local governments to take a closer look at all of these pit rescue 501c3 organizations, because something smells fishy. Our small PTO had to get professional help from a CPA to navigate the paperwork of filing, etc. These young women, with no apparent education, all running these websites AND rescue groups? How does one find time to care for all these dogs, train, walk, excercise, feed, clean up after them, then spend HOURS each day on line posting about the breed? Where does the money come from, your part time job doing Reiki?
I think many of these groups being run by "pit bull addicts", are scamming the public; who is auditing these non-profit groups to make sure the money is spent on dog care and not a source of income for these mentally unstable grifters who have discovered a gold mine in becoming a pit bull princess?
| 12/06/2008 11:36 AM |
Pit nutters should redirect their efforts away from convincing non-pit owners that their dogs are safe to educating the irresponsible pit owners.
They might just gain some credibility and make a positive change for the breeds.
| 12/06/2008 6:19 PM |
As other posters have noted, Crosby has two versions of his investigation protocol. The first has a great deal of information on behaviors exhibited by pit bulls, and specific to pit bulls. The second version has removed this damning analysis of pit behaviors.
Crosby starts with two "cases" that seem a bit convenient for his purposes. He offers no back up data to support these cases. Did he simply make them up?
Crosby heads up a section of his investigation protocol with "What do we do?" and the very first thing he does is blame the victim. What specific thing did the victim do to provoke the dog? Classic!
Crosby is also very careful to caution the investigator to make sure as much of the dog's brain is preserved as humanly possible, got to make sure to check for that elusive brain lesion. How many times has an attack been actually connected to a brain lesion? Ever?
Thanks for the link Felony!
| 12/07/2008 12:34 AM |
Deja Vu...The phenomenon...
Seems Tricities A/C direct Angela Zilar has been down this path before..."The law is impossible to enforce"
Pit nutter spidey sense tingling!
| 12/07/2008 2:03 AM |
Attack Leaves One Dead and Two Declared Potentially Dangerous
Richland, WA -- 09/15/08
The dogs responsible are being called "potentially dangerous". However, Animal Control says state and city law make it tough to do anything else. A Pit Bull and Mastiff killed a Cocker Spaniel. Apparently the little Spaniel stuck its nose in the neighbor's fence. Somehow the pit and mastiff pulled the dog through. Animal Control declared the dogs potentially dangerous, that means they need to be in a special enclosure or fenced in. The owner just moved and will not face charges for not registering the pit. Angela Zilar with animal control told us city rules and state rules don't match up making it impossible to declare the dogs dangerous.
Washington State Law
# RCW 16.08.070(1) defines a "potentially dangerous dog" as: "... any dog that when unprovoked: (a) Inflicts bites on a human or a domestic animal either on public or private property, or (b) chases or approaches a person upon the streets, sidewalks, or any public grounds in a menacing fashion or apparent attitude of attack, or any dog with a known propensity, tendency, or disposition to attack unprovoked, to cause injury, or to cause injury or otherwise to threaten the safety of humans or domestic animals."
# RCW 16.08.070(2) defines a "dangerous dog" as: "... any dog that (a) inflicts severe injury on a human being without provocation on public or private property, (b) kills a domestic animal without provocation while the dog is off the owner's property, or (c) has been previously found to be potentially dangerous because of injury inflicted on a human, the owner having received notice of such and the dog again aggressively bites, attacks, or endangers the safety of humans."
Unfortunately, this attack appears to be "on-property" and confuses the matter legally...